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    Despite the fact that we all like to outsmart the market place I think we have to accept that in life and Hi Fi you pretty much get what you pay for.

    If a product doesn't justify its price tag it will pretty soon get found out and either get replaced by another model or we will see lots of adverts for 'much loved amps' coming to the second hand market after a few months of ownership. Just have a look at all the secondhand Chinese amps out there.

    If its under priced, then a few lucky people will get a bargain until demand outstrips supply and issues occur such as unfulfilled orders and worse still ruined reputations and closure. Suppliers of kit are not charities and will always find ways to charge what the market will tolerate.

    So the natural laws of supply and demand come into play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bumpy View Post
    Despite the fact that we all like to outsmart the market place I think we have to accept that in life and Hi Fi you pretty much get what you pay for.

    If a product doesn't justify its price tag it will pretty soon get found out and either get replaced by another model or we will see lots of adverts for 'much loved amps' coming to the second hand market after a few months of ownership. Just have a look at all the secondhand Chinese amps out there.

    If its under priced, then a few lucky people will get a bargain until demand outstrips supply and issues occur such as unfulfilled orders and worse still ruined reputations and closure. Suppliers of kit are not charities and will always find ways to charge what the market will tolerate.

    So the natural laws of supply and demand come into play.
    Well said...

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    The way I see it is you start out building them in your kitchen or whatever, you want to sell some and you want to develop a rep so you take your time to get them bang on and you sell them at a bargain price. Your overheads are low and you are not really costing your time. Your probably not even paying yourself minimum wage.

    After a while you get a bit of a rep and move into a small workshop, maybe get some help in. You decide to do a higher end product now you have some reputation and that goes down well. After a few years that becomes your bread and butter so you stop doing the cheaper stuff altogether. By now you've a firm with maybe 20 people on the payroll. But your name is a byword for quality.

    Then you get an offer from a much bigger company to buy you out, name, everything, you will stay on as a self-employed consultant to smooth the changeover. The money is too good to resist - you could retire if you wanted. So you sell.

    Later down the line they will let you go as a consultant and gradually start using your brand cachet to sell cheap consumer tat from China at a premium price. That works for a while but the reputation erodes with time until finally the marque is discontinued or sold to the Chinese for buttons.
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    From the pics the quality seems good, no sense of corner cutting, good components and metalwork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    The way I see it is you start out building them in your kitchen or whatever, you want to sell some and you want to develop a rep so you take your time to get them bang on and you sell them at a bargain price. Your overheads are low and you are not really costing your time. Your probably not even paying yourself minimum wage.

    After a while you get a bit of a rep and move into a small workshop, maybe get some help in. You decide to do a higher end product now you have some reputation and that goes down well. After a few years that becomes your bread and butter so you stop doing the cheaper stuff altogether. By now you've a firm with maybe 20 people on the payroll. But your name is a byword for quality.

    Then you get an offer from a much bigger company to buy you out, name, everything, you will stay on as a self-employed consultant to smooth the changeover. The money is too good to resist - you could retire if you wanted. So you sell.

    Later down the line they will let you go as a consultant and gradually start using your brand cachet to sell cheap consumer tat from China at a premium price. That works for a while but the reputation erodes with time until finally the marque is discontinued or sold to the Chinese for buttons.
    I'm waiting for that to happen to the former IAG portfolio of companies (including the jewels in the crown: Leak and Quad)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    I'm waiting for that to happen to the former IAG portfolio of companies (including the jewels in the crown: Leak and Quad)
    Post-Brexit they will all be made in the Netherlands ... in a factory next to the Rowntrees' complex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svend N View Post
    Shaun -- not at all related to your post: Nice camera in your avatar pic! Mamiya RZ or RB, is it? Still shooting film? Monochrome or colour?

    Me: Avid B&W photographer here, hence spotting the camera immediately. All film, mostly 6x6 and 6x9, with a bit of 135 when travelling. Building up a darkroom again after 25 year absence. Wonderful creative hobby to balance the technical side of my life (career).

    Curious to hear what you're into...

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    Well, the camera in the photo was a Mamiya RB67 in which I mainly used Fuji Acros 100 film that I developed in FX39 solution when it was available. I gave up film based photography back in 2016 when I bought my first ever full frame DSLR. I first dabbled with digital in 2003 but thought it more than a bit of a novelty. Not anymore in 2018. I now get the images I always wanted but sadly not of the artistic quality that silver halides give. Traditional photography gives a quality that I very much doubt digital will ever be able to mimic. Digital is bloody good but in a totally different way, in hi-fi and in imaging.

    Would I ever go back to medium format film based photography..? Of course I bloody would..! Especially if I had the type of property that would sustain it.

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    Mmm... I was once bitten by the Chinese junk, sorry, amplifier technology. I lost over 400 notes in such a purchase and so am seriously wary of doing something like it again. In fact, let me say, having thought about all of your comments here, the good ones and the OK ones, I will not be risking money in the purchase of something so unknown especially when I currently own the finest valve amp I have ever heard which as I am sure you know was built in China like all of the IAG stuff. Thank you all for your comments as they helped a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikmas View Post
    Post-Brexit they will all be made in the Netherlands ... in a factory next to the Rowntrees' complex.
    LOL, there could be some truth in that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    There is no doubting the quality of the workmanship. I also wouldn't have any concerns about a third party copying a design that has been placed in the public domain.

    But I suspect it is not a pure Class A design: the quoted specification quotes 60W into both 8Ohm and 4Ohms, whereas of course the power should double if the load impedance is halved. Apart from that, I regard 860 as being quite reasonable for a true dual-mono power amplifier; one which can accept a balanced-line input, and one built to such a high standard.
    Barry, yes indeed, his figures do not make sense. I think it is more likely to be similar to my old Musical Fidelity A100 but this one is clearly dual mono. Then again my old Yarland Pro 200 SE was dual mono and hard wired except of course, it wasn't.

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