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    Quote Originally Posted by Clive View Post
    I'm aware the ferrite chokes aren't necessarily a good thing but they are very inexpensive to try. I can't say whether the cable that came with my Toshiba USB drive is certified or not but presumably Toshibiba put it there for a reason - I don't expect they was the product to cost 1 cent more than it needs to.

    If a cable is certified does it mean the cable is perfect? What I'm getting at is if the device at the end (or start) of the cable is horribly noisy then a certified cable is unlikely to do much to reduce the noise. Maybe a certified cable is just the starting point for such a noisy environment. What's at the receiving end should take noise in to account (hence the regeneration comment I made) but I suspect that multiple levels of cleaning will help in some situations.
    I thought that the ferrite choke was to stop noise originating from the USB peripheral device getting out via the shield. Is this not the case?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crackles View Post
    There's some interesting stuff in the letters page of last month's HiFi World about digital cables. Upshot: they are more complex than most of us think.

    Someone made the point about USB quality in general. My Chord Mojo has USB, coax and optical inputs and the USB is easily the worst of the three. My Fiio DAC does sound great through USB though.

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    Galvanic isolation of USB is critical, your Mojo doesn’t have it, so high amounts of EMI / power line noise is coupled into your unit.

    Yours is a good case of where a USB isolator dongle would be of benefit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yomanze View Post
    Galvanic isolation of USB is critical, your Mojo doesn’t have it, so high amounts of EMI / power line noise is coupled into your unit.

    Yours is a good case of where a USB isolator dongle would be of benefit.
    Thanks, didn't know this.

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    In my experience with tinkering with the different types of connection between my silent HTPC and M2Tech Young Dac I recorded the following
    USB - standard without software and using windows sounds the worst
    Coax - sounds more musical and quiet
    Optical - More detail and cleaner
    Asynchronous USB with M2tech software, Jrivermedia player M2Tech young dac Standard USB cable better than all of the above

    Same as above with a Supra cable sound slightly better than the above so kept that and still use that today 5 years on
    All just my opinion of course no scientific evidence

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    Quote Originally Posted by 337alant View Post
    In my experience with tinkering with the different types of connection between my silent HTPC and M2Tech Young Dac I recorded the following
    USB - standard without software and using windows sounds the worst
    That's no surprise - from the Windows end it will be seeing generic drivers. USB is not designed to be an audio interface! The clue is in the U bit of USB.

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    Coax - sounds more musical and quiet
    It will - the coax connection is an audio one!

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    Optical - More detail and cleaner
    And ground plane noise is eradicated .....

    Quote Originally Posted by 337alant View Post
    Asynchronous USB with M2tech software, Jrivermedia player M2Tech young dac Standard USB cable better than all of the above
    The M2Tech "software" is not software as such - it's appropriate drivers for the hardware being used.

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    Same as above with a Supra cable sound slightly better than the above so kept that and still use that today 5 years on
    All just my opinion of course no scientific evidence

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    Yes they make a difference. I use Wireworld Starlight and iFi USB power combination. I have tried USB to SPDIF convertors with mixed results, as PC software upgrades can make them not functional, or they wont handle all the sound option formats.

    I would like to try one of the more expensive converters but the thought it might cease to work puts me off.
    Regards Neil

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    I just Bought the entry level QED USB cable it’s so cheap I thought why not, I hear a difference, more clarity and openness almost like the noise floor has been lowered. It’s not gonna make a good system brilliant but it definetly worth the price. I wouldn’t pay much more than that though, if I had paid £500pounds I think I would’ve been disappointed but for £15 it was well worth it.

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