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    Quote Originally Posted by RothwellAudio View Post
    Yes, indeed an ordinary cable dressed-up as something fancy would be duping people. I'd say that hearing a difference could well be due to a placebo effect or expectation bias.
    I am going to agree with you on that point. I sometimes forget that there are folks who have no experience in these matters and can be fooled quite easily. I still cling to the hope that one day they start asking questions and pay close attention to what they are hearing in the cold light of day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nonuffin View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by nonuffin View Post
    I am going to agree with you on that point. I sometimes forget that there are folks who have no experience in these matters and can be fooled quite easily. I still cling to the hope that one day they start asking questions and pay close attention to what they are hearing in the cold light of day.
    ...or have the gumption to trust their OWN ears, and make their hi-fi decisions on that basis, rather than blindly obeying the 'rules of electrical theory'/physics, accepted wisdom, text books written by 'respected scientists' (or academics), or being told what to do by a supposed 'expert' in a white lab coat

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    Ok, let's cut to the chase...

    Please may I/we have list of mains cables that people think make a 'sound' improvement over the so-called 'kettle' leads?

    (All less than , say, 80 per metre, terminated at both ends.)

    I hasten to add that I have made up 3 of the cheaper end of MCRU's offerings. Any improvement has been 'subtle', but I like the idea of the extra screening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonky View Post
    Ok, let's cut to the chase...

    Please may I/we have list of mains cables that people think make a 'sound' improvement over the so-called 'kettle' leads?

    (All less than , say, 80 per metre, terminated at both ends.)

    I hasten to add that I have made up 3 of the cheaper end of MCRU's offerings. Any improvement has been 'subtle', but I like the idea of the extra screening.

    Thanks.
    Ask Mr MCRU to have a trial of the No 75 cable. It is a bit above your budget sadly. I have one and will say no more.

    The Supra LoRad cables are pretty good, especially with wattgate plugs on.
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    I think I should clarify my views on the matter.
    I have (or think I have? ) heard a mains cable make a difference. It was many years ago when the hi-fi company I worked for was sent a mains cable to try. If I remember correctly it was made with PCCOC wire and plaited together. We tried it on a power amp and I instantly heard something different, even though I was busy doing something else at the time and not really paying much attention.
    However, I will say that that particular power amp was pretty crude and had very little between its output transistors and the mains and I wouldn't be surprised that anything filtering noise off the mains would make an audible improvement. It would be a big leap from that to claiming the same mains cable would have the same benefits on all and any equipment it was used with.

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    I have found that anything with a switch mode power supply seems to have much less improvement from an upgrade cable. I would say pretty much immune.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RothwellAudio View Post
    It would be a big leap from that to claiming the same mains cable would have the same benefits on all and any equipment it was used with.
    Good stuff, but that leap wasn't necessary (and also unlikely to have been the case, as such cables are known to be both equipment and mains dependent); the important thing was, you heard a difference.

    It's just a pity you didn't have more time to test (via whatever means YOU believed was sufficient) whether you considered the difference as being real or imagined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nonuffin View Post
    I have found that anything with a switch mode power supply seems to have much less improvement from an upgrade cable. I would say pretty much immune.
    Yup, but also rather crucially, that anything with SMPS [routers, Sky boxes, phone chargers, computers, smart meters, etc], sharing the same mains supply with other equipment, not fitted with with such, necessitates the use of something, filter or otherwise, to combat the amount of crap that they inject into said supply!

    That's why I have a dedicated radial circuit installed for my hi-fi system, isolating it as far as possible from all that shit, and use screened mains cables, properly designed for hi-fi purposes, not glorified 'licorice sticks' posing as such

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonky View Post
    Ok, let's cut to the chase...

    Please may I/we have list of mains cables that people think make a 'sound' improvement over the so-called 'kettle' leads?
    Yes, I'd be happy to give you a list, based on the mains cables I've tried. Here it is:









































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