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    Wasn't so much worried about records as it blowing up. Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by montesquieu View Post
    Indeed it shuts off at 40c (actually was recording 37c the time it did it).

    Having said that the Degritter uses a mixure of distilled water and a tiny bit of surfactant in the cleaning tank, there's no IPA in the cleaning solution. (I use an IPA mix on the Loricraft.)
    No ipa is safer when heating it up. Much safer.
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  4. #44
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berni217 View Post
    Interesting! I also use up to 40 C (The Ultrasonic tank shuts off at the selected temp). However, some guys on other forums said that they went up to 60 C without any damages to the records. I do not think that I want to try higher than 40 C as I have had great results so far.
    I believe the worry about high temperatures is that the ultrasonic transducer itself generates heat and there can be tiny hot spots due to this - so the overall 40c temperature isn't the figure to worry about, so much as the potential for much higher temperatures in the bubbles down at groove level. Hence the Degritter switching off completely above 40c, and in the production version a cooling device to ensure even lower temperatures - to minimise the risk of very high temperatures where the cleaning beam is focused on the groove. With this in mind it's utter madness to clean records in a ultrasonic bath at 60c especially with IPA in the mix.

    Having said that the Degritter uses a much higher frequency - 120kHz rather than 40 kHz - there's a lot more power being used and the emitters are directed at the record. Might not be such a need for such conservative measures with the bath method so long as overall temperatures are kept sensible.
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    Video done by another beta user, mine is a slightly later generation than this one though still not the release version

    Main: Speakers 'RFC' Tannoy Canterburys / custom crossovers; Amp - Radford STA100; Pre EAR 912; Vinyl: Thorens TD124 MkII + Ikeda IT345-CR1 / Ikeda IT-407 tonearms; Cartridges Stereo - Miyajima Madake, Ortofon SPU Royal N, Ikeda 9C III, SAEC/Excel C3; Mono - Miyajimas - Zero 0.7, Premium 1.0, Sonovox MC-4 1.0, Edison '78' 4.0 conical, and Shure M44 strapped for mono with several Expert Stylus conicals for different eras of 78s; Phono stage and SUT from EAR 912; Esoteric Sound Re-Equalizer for equalisation of early mono and 78, switchable in from tape loop; Digital: Audio Note CDT2/II transport, heavily modded AN Kit DAC + Mutec MC3+USB.

    Study: Speakers - Tannoy DC6; Amp: Pass Aleph 'Mini'; preamp - Firebottle custom; Vinyl: Garrard 401 with AT1503 tonearm and vintage Ortofon SL-15e with matching Ortofon 2-15k SUT; Phono Stage: Firebottle Plus; Digital - Trichord Genesis III CDP + Arcam rBlink; Schiit Multibit DAC.

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    Finally committed to getting one of these myself, the guys at Degritter say it should be with me in September this year, looking forward to it and hoping it ticks all the right boxes for me.
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    Just borrowed this, courtesy of Kedar ... AudioDesk Vinyl Pro. Degritter has gone back for upgrade to next beta version.

    Interesting .. it cleans well enough, I've only had it working a day or so and don't have the Degritter here for a back to back comparison, but I think it's of broadly similar effectiveness to the Degritter.

    However it feels a bit basic in terms of functionality to the Degritter, for example, no means to vary cleaning time or drying time (so if it doesn't clean first time you have to run the whole cycle again), also it's definitely noisier both during the cleaning cycle and also when the fan comes on, and it's no looker in terms of aesthetics. Has a bit of a 'previous generation' feel to it in my view but I guess the looks might appeal to some.

    Great to get a play with it though and will be interesting when my Degritter comes back to do a full comparison on similar material (two records from a dusty box set for example).

    Just a few sec of video as as it's pretty tedious filming let alone watching:

    Last edited by montesquieu; 12-07-2018 at 16:56.
    Main: Speakers 'RFC' Tannoy Canterburys / custom crossovers; Amp - Radford STA100; Pre EAR 912; Vinyl: Thorens TD124 MkII + Ikeda IT345-CR1 / Ikeda IT-407 tonearms; Cartridges Stereo - Miyajima Madake, Ortofon SPU Royal N, Ikeda 9C III, SAEC/Excel C3; Mono - Miyajimas - Zero 0.7, Premium 1.0, Sonovox MC-4 1.0, Edison '78' 4.0 conical, and Shure M44 strapped for mono with several Expert Stylus conicals for different eras of 78s; Phono stage and SUT from EAR 912; Esoteric Sound Re-Equalizer for equalisation of early mono and 78, switchable in from tape loop; Digital: Audio Note CDT2/II transport, heavily modded AN Kit DAC + Mutec MC3+USB.

    Study: Speakers - Tannoy DC6; Amp: Pass Aleph 'Mini'; preamp - Firebottle custom; Vinyl: Garrard 401 with AT1503 tonearm and vintage Ortofon SL-15e with matching Ortofon 2-15k SUT; Phono Stage: Firebottle Plus; Digital - Trichord Genesis III CDP + Arcam rBlink; Schiit Multibit DAC.

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    Makes my PHK attached to a Screwfix industrial Vacuum look a bit sad. Might try one of those tanks from Amazon though that along with the PHK set up in the living room should go down a treat with my beloved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berni217 View Post
    It works a treat with a Vinyl Stack. I can clean up to 3 records at once ... Total cost was less than £400 ...





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    Most interesting! Super affordable.

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    There is a separate thread for DIY approaches to ultrasonic cleaning. http://theartofsound.net/forum/showt...ght=ultrasonic

    I looked into it but it’s really not what I want for the living room.

    Yes the commercial machines are a lot more expensive but are far more easy on the eye, far more convenient to use on the fly (clean one record at a time when you want to listen to it - minimal faff) and a lot more marriage-friendly.

    Indeed I don’t see these approaches as competitors at all ...
    Last edited by montesquieu; 14-07-2018 at 08:59.
    Main: Speakers 'RFC' Tannoy Canterburys / custom crossovers; Amp - Radford STA100; Pre EAR 912; Vinyl: Thorens TD124 MkII + Ikeda IT345-CR1 / Ikeda IT-407 tonearms; Cartridges Stereo - Miyajima Madake, Ortofon SPU Royal N, Ikeda 9C III, SAEC/Excel C3; Mono - Miyajimas - Zero 0.7, Premium 1.0, Sonovox MC-4 1.0, Edison '78' 4.0 conical, and Shure M44 strapped for mono with several Expert Stylus conicals for different eras of 78s; Phono stage and SUT from EAR 912; Esoteric Sound Re-Equalizer for equalisation of early mono and 78, switchable in from tape loop; Digital: Audio Note CDT2/II transport, heavily modded AN Kit DAC + Mutec MC3+USB.

    Study: Speakers - Tannoy DC6; Amp: Pass Aleph 'Mini'; preamp - Firebottle custom; Vinyl: Garrard 401 with AT1503 tonearm and vintage Ortofon SL-15e with matching Ortofon 2-15k SUT; Phono Stage: Firebottle Plus; Digital - Trichord Genesis III CDP + Arcam rBlink; Schiit Multibit DAC.

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