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    Quote Originally Posted by User211 View Post
    Mobile pics of the 20K Techie stuck in a display case. Couldn't get any closer.

    I've seen worse I think it looks pretty fine in the flesh TBH.





    It had a great review in HiFi News. It can take 3 arms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by User211 View Post
    Mobile pics of the 20K Techie stuck in a display case. Couldn't get any closer.

    I've seen worse I think it looks pretty fine in the flesh TBH.





    They had the Technics playing in a room mate in the Technics room, it was behind a pair of white doors. When we went in the guy was just getting ready to do his speech to the people gathered on the chairs so we politely left. It looks a nice machine in the flesh and very well manufactured but at 20k there's a lot of competition and from what I've heard its no better than the original SP10
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    I can't imagine an SP10 ever being cheap. I wonder what the inflation adjusted price would be?

    I don't know enough about Technics decks to comment but I suspect it is better than a god knows how old SP10 unless it has been comprehensively checked out and serviced.

    On the face of it I know which I'd rather have but I am not spending 20K on any record deck. It certainly looks better made due to modern manufacturing and the platter does look better/more expensive to produce. What difference that makes in reality I can't say.

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    I think my upset is actually really more to do with our society's drift into opulence rather than it being about Hi-Fi, which of course by definition is a luxury life adjunct.

    That capitalism can knowingly indulge to this extent to extract money from people feels wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pharos View Post
    I think my upset is actually really more to do with our society's drift into opulence .
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    Which sort of implies that the drift into opulence is a new thing, rather than something that was happening back when Moses was a lad.

    I don't think there is any area of consumer goods that does not have a sector that caters to the very wealthy. We only notice the hi-fi one because it is something we are interested in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by User211 View Post
    No.

    20K actually.

    Source Hi-Fi News June 2018 page 34.

    Motor unit, plinth and arm. As pictured.
    Thats intriguing - I was told 8k for the SP-10R motor unit and 14k for the motor, plinth and arm, by the bloke from Technics UK at the Bristol Show!
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    Quote Originally Posted by User211 View Post
    Vox Olympian. This could be total delusion on my part, but these seemed better this year. Running a Fuuga cartridge, supposedly to re-create the Miyabi sound (that dude retired) in a Kuzma 4 Point/Monaco Grand Prix.

    Now according to my reckoning, the Fuuga cartridge is right up there on the top of phono carts. No disrespect to Kevin, but he's always playing complete crap i.e. we have totally different musical tastes. But once a particular LP got going what I heard exceeded anything I have ever heard out of the Olympians. Things just started happening in a totally excellent manner. Spatially fantastic, superb resolution, great tone etc etc basically goddam impressive. I've not been a great fan of Olympians so far, but it really was good on that LP, whatever it was.

    I still have no idea what the huge subs can do. I just have to assume they can do something. But I choose to believe that cart is right up there with the very best of the best. I'm not even going to look up the price ($9,000 ). It'll be a lot.

    Obv. the LV OBX weren't in the way when I was listening as reported above.
    The Fuuga, Kuzma, Monaco combination did sound very nice

    Last year LV only took the Palladium speakers, this year they had the Vox Olypium in the LV room and the Vox Palladium in the Engstrom room. The subs do quite a bit, they fill in below around 70 Hz above which the mid-bass horn takes over afaik.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clap View Post
    It had a great review in HiFi News. It can take 3 arms.
    Is it meant to be used with the record placed directly on the metal platter, without a mat?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    Which sort of implies that the drift into opulence is a new thing, rather than something that was happening back when Moses was a lad.

    I don't think there is any area of consumer goods that does not have a sector that caters to the very wealthy. We only notice the hi-fi one because it is something we are interested in.
    Whilst I sympathise with Dennis's disquiet about the way things are going commercially: there have always been manufacturers who would produce deluxe versions of their kit. Leitz used to make a limited edition lizard-skin covered and gold plated version of the Leica IIIf camera. Later they teamed up with Hermes to produce a limited edition of their Leica M7 with unique leather cladding and strap, but the actual camera and lens were unchanged.

    Likewise is a 26K Patek-Philipe wristwatch any better than a 5K Rolex, do either keep time any better than say a 3 digital? No, people buy expensive clothes, cars and jewellery because it makes a statement about who they are and the image they like to present of themselves, regardless of any consideration of 'taste'.

    In the high-end audio field there is virtually nothing that actually justifies the prices asked. There have been no breakthrough developments in amplifier design or in transducer design for decades, none that could be used to justify costs - no "R&D" to talk of, just OTT and unnecessary elaborate construction and choice of materials, as well as elaborate and glossy marketing.

    One of the reasons why I long stopped visiting audio shows or reading the audio press, save for being amused but rarely impressed.
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    At one time, I would have found much of the hifi on show here highly desirable. Now, I am ambivalent, as it is clear to me that manufacturers are maximising margin to compensate for reduced sales in a niche market. It's an inevitable shame and we have to find a way to develop interest in hifi. It can be done: Beats headphones created a market from nothing, even though there was no sonic excellence with their product.
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