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    Quote Originally Posted by magiccarpetride View Post
    Number 8 is NOT an audiophile myth. Everyone knows that those albums are pure drivel.

    I'd replace your Number 8 myth with the myth that there is no difference in various pressings of an LP. The differences in various pressings could be enormous.
    Both very fair points. Although I doubt you would find an audiophile who would suggest that there is never a difference in pressings. Even I will agree that it can be significant. Although if the re-pressing is also a re-master then all bets are off.

    I may be needlessly hyphenating again there. Sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    I may be needlessly hyphenating again there. Sorry.
    De-hyphenated posts are preferable
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe View Post
    I sometimes wonder where all these alleged assertive, bullying objectivists hang out.
    Oh come off it, Joe. I think you're suffering from selective amnesia.... As you also say:

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe
    I have, for my sins, been on audio forums for 25 years now.
    In that case, you must remember the 'bad old days' of the likes of Zerogain, which was packed full of the very types you mention - a truly toxic place for any subjectivist to inhabit, and one of the reasons why AoS was created, as a safe haven away from them...!!

    Or Wigwam, before the recent clear out of the 'old guard', which at times was almost as toxic as Zerogain.

    Even pfm, 5 or 6 years ago had its problems with very arrogant and dogmatic objectivists, who used to dominate threads and simply not allow subjectivists to express any opinions that didn't 'fit' with their scientific belief system - I should know because I've battled with them all and ended up being banned for it [on Wigwam]!

    You might not notice these 'characters' as much as others, because you don't wind them up or are simply more tolerant of their 'excesses', but the reality is they're alive and kicking on most hi-fi forums, generally making it an unpleasant place for anyone to be who doesn't sign up to their audio 'world view'.

    OTOH there's plenty of subjectivists wishing to assert that theirs is the one true way to audio nirvana.
    In all honestly, where? Can you cite one example? Perhaps that's simply how you interpret someone's passion or enthusiasm for something they like, and which for them works? I've only seen, certainly on here, opinions being vociferously expressed or experiences passionately related, not anyone 'asserting that their way is the one true path'...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Oh come off it, Joe. I think you're suffering from selective amnesia.... As you also say:



    In that case, you must remember the 'bad old days' of the likes of Zerogain, which was packed full of the very types you mention - a truly toxic place for any subjectivist to inhabit, and one of the reasons why AoS was created, as a safe haven away from them...!

    Or Wigwam, before the recent clear out of the 'old guard', which at times was almost as toxic as Zerogain. Even pfm, 5 or 6 years ago had its problems with very arrogant and dogmatic objectivists, who used to dominate threads and simply not allow subjectivists to express any opinions that didn't 'fit' with their scientific belief system - I should know because I've battled with them all and ended up being banned for it!

    You might not notice these 'characters' as much as others because you don't wind them up or are simply more tolerant of their 'excesses', but the reality is they're alive and kicking on most hi-fi forums, generally making it an unpleasant place for anyone to be who doesn't sign up to their audio 'world view'.



    In all honestly, where? Can you cite one example? Perhaps that's simply how you interpret someone's passion or enthusiasm for something they like, and which works? I've only seen, certainly on here, opinions being vociferously expressed or experiences passionately related, not anyone 'asserting that their way is the one true path'...

    Marco.
    All good points, Marco, and, on a somewhat unrelated note, you made me a bit worried now -- I've been on this forum for quite some time already, and still haven't been banned. Hmm, I'm getting old, losing my edge...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Oh come off it, Joe. I think you're suffering from selective amnesia.... As you also say:



    In that case, you must remember the 'bad old days' of the likes of Zerogain, which was packed full of the very types you mention - a truly toxic place for any subjectivist to inhabit, and one of the reasons why AoS was created, as a safe haven away from them...!

    Or Wigwam, before the recent clear out of the 'old guard', which at times was almost as toxic as Zerogain. Even pfm, 5 or 6 years ago had its problems with very arrogant and dogmatic objectivists, who used to dominate threads and simply not allow subjectivists to express any opinions that didn't 'fit' with their scientific belief system - I should know because I've battled with them all and ended up being banned for it!
    I posted only rarely on Zerogain*, and hardly at all on Wigwam; never had any grief on either, or on pfm for that matter. Whatever the forum, it's usually the same cast of characters knocking seven shades of shit out of each other, whilst the majority look on, bemused. Eventually some get banned and start their own forums.

    * Actually someone was rude about my musical tastes on Zerogain.

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    Well, I was only answering your earlier question of 'Where are all these alleged assertive, bullying objectivists?' Just because you haven't had any grief from them, doesn't mean that they don't (or didn't) exist

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe View Post

    Actually someone was rude about my musical tastes on Zerogain.
    If you like The Smiths or U2* then fair comment, otherwise I agree very rude, how dare they.

    *I'm guessing this event pre-dates Diana Krall. Otherwise add her in as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by magiccarpetride View Post
    All good points, Marco, and, on a somewhat unrelated note, you made me a bit worried now -- I've been on this forum for quite some time already, and still haven't been banned. Hmm, I'm getting old, losing my edge...
    No chance, we lurves ya, Alex!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    If you like The Smiths or U2* then fair comment, otherwise I agree very rude, how dare they.

    *I'm guessing this event pre-dates Diana Krall. Otherwise add her in as well.
    You can add Gary Numan and Queen to that!

    (if that doesn't get 'em up in arms nothing will )

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    Quote Originally Posted by walpurgis View Post
    You can add Gary Numan and Queen to that!

    (if that doesn't get 'em up in arms nothing will )
    I quite like 'Seven Seas Of Rye'. But I'd cheerfully go back in time and strangle them all as children to prevent 'Bohemian Rhapsody.' Then bet on some sports fixtures and make millions like Biff out of 'Back To The Future - Part 2'. Could go and see Hendrix at the Isle Of Wight too. I'd just have to avoid meeting my future self. And getting caught for the child murders, obviously.
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