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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigman80 View Post
    Mathematicians don't make music.
    Don't they? Brian May has knocked out a few tunes
    (Ok, an astronomer, but there's a lot of maths in it.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by RothwellAudio View Post
    Don't they? Brian May has knocked out a few tunes
    (Ok, an astronomer, but there's a lot of maths in it.)
    Lol, there are mathematician/musicians of course but you don't find many in the recording studio, mixing artists material.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RothwellAudio View Post
    That's an interesting point which brings up a subject rarely mentioned in discussions: that distortion in digital systems increases with decreasing signal level, which is the exact opposite of analogue electronics. A sine wave at full output which uses all 16 bits of a 16 bit digital system might show no distortion or steps, but a sine wave 60dB or more lower would have nowhere near the same resolution.
    Which possibly explains digital's poorer ambience and soundstage depth.
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    So, I'm sitting here playing Tango in the Night - Fleetwood Mac in 96/??? (Christ knows what it is) and compared to the CD, it absolutely shits on it. Deeper, wider and way easier to listen to. This is nearer to the fluidity of vinyl as far as I'm concerned

    Can someone explain why ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clive View Post
    Which possibly explains digital's poorer ambience and soundstage depth.
    Indeed it may. I think there are far too many pieces of equipment which quote distortion figures at full output. I think the performance at low signal levels is probably more important the performance at high signal levels. After all, the signal spends most of its time nearer to zero than full output.

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    Its easily the most analogue sounding player I have heard, whether thats a good or bad point" depends on ones personal taste I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anthonyTD View Post
    Its easily the most analogue sounding player I have heard, whether thats a good or bad point" depends on ones personal taste I guess.
    Wow that sounds superb, would love to hear it

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    Quote Originally Posted by anthonyTD View Post
    Its easily the most analogue sounding player I have heard, whether thats a good or bad point" depends on ones personal taste I guess.
    Wow that sounds superb, would love to hear it

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    Quote Originally Posted by RothwellAudio View Post
    Indeed it may. I think there are far too many pieces of equipment which quote distortion figures at full output. I think the performance at low signal levels is probably more important the performance at high signal levels. After all, the signal spends most of its time nearer to zero than full output.
    I think this is a very critical point and I'm glad you brought it to everyone's attention. It hadn't struck me but this is a very real restriction on digital performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clive View Post
    Again....for temporal reasons. Bit perfect isn't sufficient.
    Interesting. So the argument kind of goes like this: recorded sound ends up being stored as a signal that could be used to reproduce the original sound. That signal is very simple. But hold on, there is a temporal dimension to it, so it is actually very complex.

    That is the most confused argument I've ever heard. It must be either simple, or not simple. It cannot be both simple and not simple at the same time.
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