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    Quote Originally Posted by jandl100 View Post
    Well, it all depends what you think you are hearing.
    Genuine recorded sounds or distortion artifacts that you happen to like maybe?
    How can distortion artifacts give such a sense of space and depth? Someone convince me.

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    Just read a great article on digital and analogue. Its conclusion was analogue was good for audio and digital was good for running computers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebottle View Post
    How can distortion artifacts give such a sense of space and depth? Someone convince me.
    Echo-o-o-o-o-oooo
    A little additional reverb and most things sound that little bit nicer and more spacious.

    The truth is likely to be a little more complicated than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    Audiophile myth. It may not be perfectly exact but it is exact enough that any difference is way beyond the threshold of hearing. In terms of producing the analogue waveform exactly, digital is way beyond vinyl. Orders of magnitude better.
    OK Martin I've got your point, that you have made on numerous posts before.

    A digital COPY is a digital copy and is all we need for music storage given adequate bit depth.
    However it could be like saying I have xyz vinyl on my shelf, it's no good until it is reproduced on the TT.

    Or it's like saying I have a digital copy of SOS in my brain, or other storage media, which is of no use unless it is transmitted or communicated to somebody else.

    So analogue and digital convergence must include the replay chain in this instance, otherwise it's very difficult to hear and appreciate it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by walpurgis View Post
    A properly detailed sound is a product of transparency and system balance should not be a factor.
    Youíre right, I should not have used the word bright, but hopefully some of you can attest to my experience that some stereos that are detailed, when you hear them you may notice new things in old recordings, but you find that you are analyzing all the music you play! Listening deeper, for more detail, taking mental notes. That is not the stereo I want to own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    Audiophile myth. It may not be perfectly exact but it is exact enough that any difference is way beyond the threshold of hearing. In terms of producing the analogue waveform exactly, digital is way beyond vinyl. Orders of magnitude better.
    No matter how small distortions get, they are still distortions, it is a fact of life! If there were no noticeable distortions, all stereos would sound exactly the same. And they donít.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jandl100 View Post
    Well, it all depends what you think you are hearing.
    Genuine recorded sounds which for some baffling reason aren't captured by digital, or analog distortion artifacts that you happen to like maybe?
    Our hearing has evolved to listen in a distorted aural environment so that is probably why we like a bit of distortion added?

    If you stand in a wood on a windy day and listen to 2 birds in different positions you will still be able to judge where they are (behind, to the side or in front) even though you have lots of other noise around you distorting the sound. The brain compensates and you can make a very good assessment of the sound - millions of years of evolution to get to that point.

    Introduce digital (last 40 years?) err brain cannot compute. Alien sound which hearing/brain has not evolved yet to compensate for digital waveform. Yes you can hear a sound but it is not natural analogue so still doesn't sound right.

    THE CLOSER DIGITAL GETS TO ANALOGUE THE BETTER IT WILL SOUND. Simple

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
    Introduce digital (last 40 years?) err brain cannot compute. Alien sound which hearing/brain has not evolved yet to compensate for digital waveform. Yes you can hear a sound but it is not natural analogue so still doesn't sound right.
    But we don't listen to 'digital' sound. What comes out of the speakers is pure analogue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by walpurgis View Post
    But we don't listen to 'digital' sound. What comes out of the speakers is pure analogue.
    No it is a digitised version of the analogue waveform. Yes what comes out of our speakers is analogue but it is reconstructed analogue via a DAC.

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    I know this will start a fight!

    Back when Digital was first coming around, it seems to me I read some articles about adding dither. Anyone else remember that? Do modern digital converters add dither anymore? Iím not even exact on what dither was? It was a long time ago. But basically, they added noise to Digital playback to make it sound more natural. Please, correct me if Iím wrong. Iím not even sure what it has to do with the thread? But itís interesting.

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