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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Hi Adrian,



    I haven't been following this thread recently, so apologies if I've missed something, but is said dickhead the guy who had advertised this player for sale on pfm? If so, then he needs named and shamed, not only here, but over there, too [indeed, steps will be taken to make that happen]!

    If it's someone else you're referring to, then fair enough. In any case, I hope that you get the matter resolved to your satisfaction, ASAP

    Marco.
    I have to point out that, not being a member here, the seller has had no right of reply and we have only heard one side of the story before deciding on his guilt and appointing ourselves judge jury and executioner. While the story seems pretty clear cut from one side, it usually does, and I am reminded of the John Wood amp incident where similar judgements were initially made but subsequently found to be not black and white. I'm not seeking to defend anyone's actions, but in the interests of justice I think both sides need to be heard, and I hope they will be on pink fish. As I said I met him once at Scalford last year and found him to be a nice genuine guy.

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    Yup I doubt he would have it up in forum if faulty so it's maybe happened after he packed it it's not that impossible for something to go wrong I guess.
    Also he is going to be out a grand of player so you can see why positions become entrenched
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    Could a claim be made with the courier? That would have to be the seller though I suppose
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawrence001 View Post
    I have to point out that, not being a member here, the seller has had no right of reply and we have only heard one side of the story before deciding on his guilt and appointing ourselves judge jury and executioner. While the story seems pretty clear cut from one side, it usually does, and I am reminded of the John Wood amp incident where similar judgements were initially made but subsequently found to be not black and white. I'm not seeking to defend anyone's actions, but in the interests of justice I think both sides need to be heard, and I hope they will be on pink fish. As I said I met him once at Scalford last year and found him to be a nice genuine guy.
    Sure, Lawrence, fairness in these matters is always important, so the other guy involved (I don't know his name) will be more than welcome to come here and defend himself if necessary.

    I simply take a very dim view of someone, in what is [in the grand scheme of things] such a small and close-knit enthusiast audio community, seemingly behaving in such an appalling manner, and if true, these folk need outing and exposed, simply to protect the interests of the former, and indeed anyone else from experiencing what Adrian has - and I will do everything I can to ensure that happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawrence001 View Post
    I am reminded of the John Wood amp incident where similar judgements were initially made but subsequently found to be not black and white. .
    Actually that was black and white. Even the High Court thought so.

    I can see the thrust of your argument though. We know Adrian is genuine and not some chancer, the seller doesn't. And I'm sure that he tested it just before packing and it was working fine.

    So damage in transit, for which a claim could have been made if the damage was reported within 1 working day of delivery. Too late now though.
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    Ok, I shouldn't have brought up the John Wood incident, let's lay that to rest now (again!) I think the less said about that the better!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawrence001 View Post
    Ok, I shouldn't have brought up the John Wood incident, let's lay that to rest now (again!) I think the less said about that the better!
    True!
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    I agree that everyone has a right to reply, but I haven't accused him of misleading or anything else, only that it has a fault for whatever reason. His reaction with PayPal is the reason I call him a dickhead - attacking me personally as an idiot, clueless, up to no good etc he wrote so much about me he ran out of words in the PayPal interface - when I've been more than pleasant wth him, saying I wasnt questioning his honesty, questioning my own system and sanity, willing to pay for the fix if it were viable. All I wanted was to hand over the cash and have a working cd player that I could listen to - regardless of its quality which is subjective and no reason to return it - but I haven't had that opportunity - it's been sat in a crate in the spare room. If the boot was on the other foot im sure I would be in same situation only as the seller, but with a little more grace.
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    Response from Eddie, the seller concerned, which has been forwarded to me via PM:

    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie
    Dear Moderators / Owner

    I am writing to you as I have a serious issue with one of your senior members from a number of posts which I find very offensive and are causing me a great deal of stress. I do a lot in hi-fi circles all over the UK and over various forums and what he has been writing online is slanderous, offensive and stressful to me. I have screenshot all the slanderous, derogatory comments as evidence and for someone who claims to own a small school they don't seem to mind freely and openly using foul language to express their feelings either.

    This is the thread in question.

    http://theartofsound.net/forum/showt...r-wanted/page8

    Some have actually acknowledged the seller here and I appreciate that. There are people there also who are giving this member support but only seeing one side of the story, and I have actually met and know who quite a few of these people are in person. I am not a multi-million pound outfit like M&S like some have mentioned, who can afford to take a hit if a customer brings something back that they dont like or has developed a fault. And I'm not the owner of any pretentiously named business in Spain either, I've got a lowly job here in the UK which I pretty much only do just to support my family. As much as I don't want to see anyone unhappy, what left me was a superb and fully working CD player and if I took it back I'd be left pretty much with a 3000 CD player which will probably never be fixed. I cant be held responsible for something once someone starts using it, and reading through this thread its pretty much anyone's guess to what's actually happened here, but I can assure you I did not and would not sell anything as good working order to anyone.

    Why would anyone honestly think that someone would send something faulty hoping that a buyer would just not notice (especially out of the UK). I've got almost 800 positive feedbacks as a private seller on ebay, this is my first dispute ever!

    I'm just a single hobbyist who enjoys audio equipment. I cant afford to keep everything I buy and if I want something else I need to sell things which usually works out ok. And on that note I've had hundreds of CD players over the years and I know when something is substandard or faulty even in the slightest. I used that CD player with 3 different amplifiers here at home, a number of different speakers and 3 different high quality headphones/amps also for some 'very close' listening. Which is why this whole ordeal has and still is causing me a lot of frustration and stress. That was an amazing player and I was using it daily before it left, never with any issues.

    Who buys a 3 grand CD player when they only have 1 CD anyway ( the other one he mentions, I left in the packaging!). You might have sold something yourself which was extremely valuable (relevant to your income) can you imagine this happening to you?

    I am now being forced by eBay to take the item back in whatever state its in now and refund plus the postage to Spain. 'I didn't even want to send it to Spain' and there were others contacting me about it locally as well but this Spanish ('English') buyer seemed very keen. This case is not sorted yet and I may even seek further legal advice on the situation yet but I hope you understand the situation from my perspective now.

    Thank you for your time.

    Kind regards

    Eddie


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    And I don't appreciate being called a 'dickhead' Marco as you put it. I am certainly not someone who tries his luck selling dodgy goods on ebay. I do hope you have a better understanding of that now.
    In the interests of balance, I felt that the above should be published in the public domain. Eddie is of course free to register and join in the discussion to defend himself accordingly, as indeed is Adrian to reply to the above.

    The reason why I commented as I did earlier, was simply to prompt a response from the seller, which has now duly been achieved, as I believe that these disputes need brought out into the open and debated if necessary, among all relevant parties, so that members using our classifieds section can make up their OWN minds as to who they're dealing with, from both a buyer and seller's perspective.

    I have no 'dog in this race'. My concern is simply for maintaining the efficacy of our classifieds section, by ensuring as far as possible the legal and/or ethical behaviour of all who use it (buyers and sellers), thus protecting as far as possible anyone from having a bad experience

    Marco.

    P.S Apologies to Eddie for the "dickhead" remark. I was simply quoting Adrian, not directing that insult at him personally.
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