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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalek Supreme D L View Post
    Not tried this yet but the Sony HAPZ1 had a recent software/operational tweak which makes the USB a digital out now, and as the HAP plays DSD and can convert files to DSD (also comes with DSD sample tracks) I plan on trying it with a DAC I have that is DSD compatible. If this works then that is a step forward.

    Esoteric equipment has two DSD output options Firewire and twin XLR outputs, both sound excellent.
    Interesting, Neil. It was always my understanding that just about all SACD transports to date only output PCM over SPDIF, via a conversion process, most can't output native DSD, so it's pretty cool that some are doing that. It would be pretty cool to be able to make a direct comparison.

    My DAC doesn't read native DSD but my newly-acquired Mutec MC3+USB reclocking device does, though it performs a conversion to PCM in passing the signal through, that's supposed to be done in a reasonably sophisticated way but is a conversion nonetheless. I assume the DSD input is only over USB but I haven't checked. Conversion is frought with difficulty though because the whole stream is handled entirely differently, DSD is only 1 bit but a massively higher sample rate.

    Very few SACD recordings were done natively in 1bit DSD anyway, most are conversions of 24/96 or 24/192 in the studio. So they get quantized on the way to DSD format, and conversion to PCM quantizes them on the way out - not ideal and there are strong arugments on the high-res side for keeping things PCM.

    Some interesting info out there on the relationships between DSD and PCM and it seems to me that which format is 'better' is not always clear cut. Here's one example which though it's by a DAC vendor explains things rather well. http://www.mojo-audio.com/blog/dsd-v...myth-vs-truth/

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    Thank you Tom! I truly enjoyed reading the article you linked to. I did my college thesis on PCM way back in ‘93, a LOT has happened since then! And the author really sounds like he knows what he’s talking about, and made it very readable. It answered a lot of questions I didn’t know I wanted to ask!

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    From limited experimentation, I prefer redbook cd's played through my AN DAC to SACD played directly from my Oppo UDP 203. I wanted the option to play most formats and thus went for a universal player like the Oppo, but as said the quality of the DAC surpasses any (potential) gains made in the format - IMHO


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    My one and only experience with SACD was from a Marantz sa11s2 if you played back to back with the same normal cds the differences were huge for me it just added more layers to the music, left me so impressed that a Marantz SA player is the next thing i'll be buying
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    Quote Originally Posted by James the Albarry lover View Post
    My one and only experience with SACD was from a Marantz sa11s2 if you played back to back with the same normal cds the differences were huge for me it just added more layers to the music, left me so impressed that a Marantz SA player is the next thing i'll be buying
    The differences are all in the mastering, not the format. Buy the hybrid copy if there is one and play it on a normal cd player, you will still get all the benefits of the better mastering. The format side of SACD is a bit of a con, I'm afraid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    The differences are all in the mastering, not the format. Buy the hybrid copy if there is one and play it on a normal cd player, you will still get all the benefits of the better mastering. The format side of SACD is a bit of a con, I'm afraid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    The differences are all in the mastering, not the format. Buy the hybrid copy if there is one and play it on a normal cd player, you will still get all the benefits of the better mastering. The format side of SACD is a bit of a con, I'm afraid.
    Totally agree.

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    Have to say I have a few and just play the normal layer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalek Supreme D L View Post
    I respect your listening experience but don't agree.
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