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    Default Decca curse?

    Is it just me ?
    I’ve noticed some of my records sound better than ever since fitting a decca c4e,
    But others can sounds poor, the good ones tend to be newer but it’s starting to get on my tits.
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    Jamie,

    Unfortunately the Decca takes no prisoners. I’ve found this to be the case with all Decca’s. I have the Decca Gold and well recorded records sound fabulous and poorly recorded records sound just terrible. However, I guess even the C4e falls into that category.

    The problem is, that it digs out all that is in the groove “Good and Bad”.

    There may well be other views on the subject and this is only my slant as to why this issue is just so annoying. However, attention to careful setup may improve the matter. VTA / Azimuth / etc.

    Sorry.......

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    I always recommend Decca goes on 2nd arm. When it's right, there's nothing better, but it's fussy with regard to the vinyl.
    I haven't found a consistency either, new/old, cleaning helps but still there's variance.

    Not much help, I suppose it could work with detachable headshell, but then again it likes a unipivot?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Boyse6748 View Post
    Jamie,

    Unfortunately the Decca takes no prisoners. I’ve found this to be the case with all Decca’s. I have the Decca Gold and well recorded records sound fabulous and poorly recorded records sound just terrible. However, I guess even the C4e falls into that category.

    The problem is, that it digs out all that is in the groove “Good and Bad”.

    There may well be other views on the subject and this is only my slant as to why this issue is just so annoying. However, attention to careful setup may improve the matter. VTA / Azimuth / etc.

    Sorry.......

    Peter


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    I've never had a listen to a Decca but it sounds to me like it must be quite along ways from neutral. Rather than it digging out the good with the bad is it not more likely that it is coloured? The further any system or component gets from accurate, the more it is going to dictate your music choice. I'm reminded of the DPA Renaissance cd player, of which a reviewer said: 'If this is right, it means that everything else is wrong.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    I've never had a listen to a Decca but it sounds to me like it must be quite along ways from neutral. Rather than it digging out the good with the bad is it not more likely that it is coloured? The further any system or component gets from accurate, the more it is going to dictate your music choice. I'm reminded of the DPA Renaissance cd player, of which a reviewer said: 'If this is right, it means that everything else is wrong.'
    does accurate = bland Martin
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulf-2007 View Post
    does accurate = bland Martin
    Only if the recording/music is bland.

    it is just that as soon as I see people blaming the recordings and not the equipment, my spider-sense tingalings.

    I could be completely wrong of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    Only if the recording/music is bland.

    it is just that as soon as I see people blaming the recordings and not the equipment, my spider-sense tingalings.

    I could be completely wrong of course.
    . Touché
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    Only if the recording/music is bland.

    it is just that as soon as I see people blaming the recordings and not the equipment, my spider-sense tingalings.

    I could be completely wrong of course.
    ok lets turn it around then,what in my system would make some records sound totally awsome and others below par?
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    does accurate = bland Martin

    No

    I've read a lot of posts over the years regarding what I'd call 'exciting' carts and strangely, rather than be drawn towards I find that those types have me doing the opposite of many others and retreating.

    I guess it's got to be because I dont like the idea of carts that I get the impression impose a lot of character / themself on the music and it's portrayal.

    To the contrary, I'm drawn to carts and kit that get out of the way to use that old saying and just let the music / the recording come through, getting right inside to however it is, warts and all
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobbieGong View Post
    does accurate = bland Martin

    No

    I've read a lot of posts over the years regarding what I'd call 'exciting' carts and strangely, rather than be drawn towards I find that those types have me doing the opposite of many others and retreating.

    I guess it's got to be because I dont like the idea of carts that I get the impression impose a lot of character / themself on the music and it's portrayal.

    To the contrary, I'm drawn to carts and kit that get out of the way to use that old saying and just let the music / the recording come through, getting right inside to however it is, warts and all
    +1. I don't think I would keep a cartridge that made any otherwise acceptable LP sound crap.

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