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    Default Warm sounding cartridge or phono pre-amp

    I recently got a Project Classic with the Ortofon Silver Cartridge and whilst I love the looks the sound is a little on the thin side.

    Can anyone recommend a cartridge to replace the Ortofon that has a richer more substantial presentation (to go with a Rega phono pre) or a replacement for the Rega that would go well with the Ortofon and give me the sound I am looking for.

    Thanks.

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    A vintage Shure cartridge could be the thing. They certainly don't sound weedy.

    When asking for recommendations, stating your budget is a good idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by walpurgis View Post
    A vintage Shure cartridge could be the thing. They certainly don't sound weedy.

    When asking for recommendations, stating your budget is a good idea.
    Budget would be around 400.

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    For a bit more, you'd buy a Rega Fono MC and a new Denon DL-103 low output moving coil cartridge. Locate a good second hand DL-103 (they are not hard to find) and you could be within budget. The DL-103 would never be accused of sounding 'thin'!
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    Quote Originally Posted by walpurgis View Post
    For a bit more, you'd buy a Rega Fono MC and a new Denon DL-103 low output moving coil cartridge. Locate a good second hand DL-103 (they are not hard to find) and you could be within budget. The DL-103 would never be accused of sounding 'thin'!
    There's a Denon AU320 SUT in the classifieds which could be bought along with a new 103 under budget, and use the existing phono stage. Great combo (I use one and it is as far from 'thin' sounding as I can imagine) but I don't know your phono stage and how that might contribute.
    Mind you, the Denon likes a massy arm, not sure the Project is ideal in that respect?
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    Absolutely nothing wrong with the Rega phono stage and I would suggest you retain that and buy a better balanced cartridge than the 2M Silver. Something like a Rega Exact, Goldring or Hana should do the job nicely.

    Get that Silver on the classifieds or E-Bay and the changeover won't be expensive.

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    Have you run it in ? If reaction is based on a not run in cart, then run it in and then decide. I suspect you are not hearing it run in. Also is the Rega set up right for it and the arm cart properly set up/aligned ?
    Regards Neil

    System 1 (Living Room) : Vinyl: AMG Giro Turntable, AMG 9W2 Tonearm, AMG Reference Armcable, Air Tight PC3 MC Cartridge PhonoStage: Passlabs Xono Digital: Esoteric P5 SACD Transport and Esoteric P 5 DAC, Sony HAP Z1es Digital File Player + Audioquest Jitter Bug, Computer Audio: Veracity Audio Mystra DAC + HP laptop + iFi Audio i Power, Wireworld Starlight USB + Audioquest Jitter Bug Tuner:Kenwood KT 7020 + Magnum Dynalab Signal Sleuth FM Amplifier Cassette Tape: Nakamichi CR5e Amplification: Pre-Amplifier Meridian G02 Power-Amplifier Meridian G56 Speakers: Anthony Gallo Reference 3.1 Audio Cabling: Signal - Atlas Mavros, Audience AU24 Speaker - Atlas Mavros. Mains Cabling: Audience AU24, Analysis Plus, TCI. Mains Distribution: Mark Grant Distribution Blocks, Mark Grant DC Blocker Equipment Tables: Target Audio B series + Track Audio Isolation Spikes Isolation/ Platforms: Bright Star Audio Isonodes, BASE 01, SSC Platforms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalek Supreme D L View Post
    Have you run it in ? If reaction is based on a not run in cart, then run it in and then decide. I suspect you are not hearing it run in. Also is the Rega set up right for it and the arm cart properly set up/aligned ?
    The cartridge has probably 15 or so hours on it so maybe need to give it a bit more time before rushing into another purchase....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalek Supreme D L View Post
    Have you run it in ? If reaction is based on a not run in cart, then run it in and then decide. I suspect you are not hearing it run in. Also is the Rega set up right for it and the arm cart properly set up/aligned ?
    The cartridge has probably 15 or so hours on it so maybe need to give it a bit more time before rushing into another purchase....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob1969 View Post
    The cartridge has probably 15 or so hours on it so maybe need to give it a bit more time before rushing into another purchase....
    No where near enough time on it, 50 hours to 100
    Regards Neil

    System 1 (Living Room) : Vinyl: AMG Giro Turntable, AMG 9W2 Tonearm, AMG Reference Armcable, Air Tight PC3 MC Cartridge PhonoStage: Passlabs Xono Digital: Esoteric P5 SACD Transport and Esoteric P 5 DAC, Sony HAP Z1es Digital File Player + Audioquest Jitter Bug, Computer Audio: Veracity Audio Mystra DAC + HP laptop + iFi Audio i Power, Wireworld Starlight USB + Audioquest Jitter Bug Tuner:Kenwood KT 7020 + Magnum Dynalab Signal Sleuth FM Amplifier Cassette Tape: Nakamichi CR5e Amplification: Pre-Amplifier Meridian G02 Power-Amplifier Meridian G56 Speakers: Anthony Gallo Reference 3.1 Audio Cabling: Signal - Atlas Mavros, Audience AU24 Speaker - Atlas Mavros. Mains Cabling: Audience AU24, Analysis Plus, TCI. Mains Distribution: Mark Grant Distribution Blocks, Mark Grant DC Blocker Equipment Tables: Target Audio B series + Track Audio Isolation Spikes Isolation/ Platforms: Bright Star Audio Isonodes, BASE 01, SSC Platforms.

    System 2 (Music Room) : Vinyl: Turntable 1 Loricraft Garrard 401 Turntable + SME 5 Tonearm, Graham IC70 Tonearm Cable + VDH MC10 cartridge Turntable 2 Modified Technics 1200 turntable + Triplannar 7 Tonearm + VDH Frog Gold Cartridge + Paul Hynes SR7 PSU Turntable 3 SME Model 20 Turntable + Graham Phantom Tonearm + Graham IC70 Tonearm Cable, Ortofon MC5200 Cartridge PhonoStage: Balanced Audio Technology VK10se Digital: Moon Andromeda CD Player, Toshiba 9500 DVD Audio Player Computer Audio: AMR DP777 DAC + Dell Laptop + iFi Audio i Power + JKenny JKSPIDIF + Wireworld Starlight USB Tuners: Kenwood 8300 Tuner, Revox B760 Tuner, Leak Troughline Tuner + EAR Stereo Decoder ReelToReel Tape: Revox B77 mk 2, Revox A77 mk3, Sony TC-377 Cassette Tape: Nakamichi DR10 Headphone: Audio Valve RKV2 OTL Valve Headphone Amp, Headphones Grado GS 1000, Sennheiser 560 Ovation2, Sennheiser 410SL Pre-Amplifier: Balanced Audio Technology VK52se Power-Amplifier: Music Reference RM200 mk1 Speakers: Anthony Gallo Reference 3.5 Audio Cabling: Signal - Audience AU24, Kimber KCAG, Audio Note ANVs, Barry Hunt Cables Speaker - XLO Type 6. Mains Cabling: Audience AU24, TCI. Mains Distribution: Mark Grant and Russ Andrews Equipment Tables: Clear Light Audio Aspekt Tacks Isolation/Platform: SSC, Bright Star Audio Isonodes, Naim Frame Record Cleaner: Hanns Audio

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