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    hmmm im not really feeling this cartridge chaps,it certainly doesn't sound like any of the write up ive read,perhaps it needs a re-tip,it all seems to be there,it just lacks the clarity of the 2m black.
    im a little disappointed seeing as i paid nearly 500.

    geoff if you read this it reminds me of that ADC you sold me.
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    Oh dear.

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    That doesn't sound right. The clarity should be superb, with a bold, fast and very dynamic presentation. And it shouldn't sound like an ADC.

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    what bugs me is there's no way to see the stylus properly,i can see it fine sideways to follow the arm protractor but front on for line up in the grid its very hard,i have to use the cartridge body,which being square is ok but you never know what the tips like .
    im very happy with the low end and mid,that's very sweet. tracking at 1.6
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    Try 2 grams.

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    well ive been listening to it for several hours now and there are things i like,it just seems to loose out on top end clarity, the fact that im not sure tells me its a sort of sideways step,i have to remind myself though thats it's an elliptical stylus against a shabita tip,that gives it credit to its performance.
    one can wonder what more a re-tip would bring?

    ultimately i dont know what these things are worth and how rare they are so i cant factor the cost of a re-tip,id say looking at the one present its getting to the point of being past its best.
    its stands me in at 475 and re-tip id guess is 300 so we are talking 800. perhaps too much money?

    i need some decca guys to advise please.
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    Have you experimented with VTA Jamie. It can be critical with Deccas. They were all hand made and no two are quite the same, so the VTA needs will vary.

    You should certainly not be short of top end detail and it should be clean.

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    yes i have geoff,it did improve some some what,i just dont see a 500 difference to be fair.
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  9. #29
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    Seems to me there is possibly something not quite right there. It should sound quite spectacular. I'd suggest having a word with Steve at HiFi Hangar. He may help. You could tell him we here would be interested in his response. There are quite a few members who have been his customers.

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    I am wondering if it is just the "synergy" thing. The damping trough on the Rock should help with cartridge compatibility but other things can come into play which subtly influence matters and may move the sound closer to or further away from our individual preferred sound. Myself I don't like to come to a conclusion until at least 4 sessions and like to have an alternative available for A/B comparison if I have doubts.

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