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    Something wrong there. The Mk.IV Deccas should have a somewhat more full bodied sound than the Londons, including the Golds. I'm wondering if the coils were set up correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulf-2007 View Post
    Well I bought Jamie's Decca and after setting it up in my stax arm, which was fine with a super gold and some putty, I had a disappointing afternoon. Did a basic set up and had it tracking at 1.5grams, very thin and slightly harsh sound with no bass and worse still, was vocals were difficult to hear and fading as the track played. The whole sound was like an echo. I gave up and put the Shure ultra back and all was wonderful. Going to need some help. I met a guy yesterday who is very experienced with decca's and he suggested blue tak blobs until the best sound was found, then weigh it and replace with lead. Well I couldn't even start to think about blue tak as their wasn't anywhere to start. Cart and headshell weighs just over 25 grams, I have an extra counterweight that I fitted but there is room for adjustment if the headshell needs more mass. Any thoughts?
    What setting is your phonostage on? It's either the wrong setting or you are out of phase. I had the four pin connector on the Gold and it sounded just like you say. I swapped to the three pin and only connected the red white and green. That fixed it. Never got the bass I wanted though hence me moving it on.

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    remember this cartridge is nearly double what a mk 5 weighs,i got it to sound very good using my 11g alphason and 16g zeta,both i used with fluid damping,have you checked that you tonearm is compatible?
    also when you picked it up you mentioned you were giving it too your friend to try first,what tonearm did he use?
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    Quote Originally Posted by walpurgis View Post
    Something wrong there. The Mk.IV Deccas should have a somewhat more full bodied sound than the Londons, including the Golds. I'm wondering if the coils were set up correctly.
    that's exactly how it sounded when i compared it to olivers london gold,the c4e was up a notch.
    theres nothing wrong with the coils geoff,it was working fine prior to being sold.
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    also its calibrated to be run at 1.8 grams.
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    My mate didn't get around to trying it. I'm sure there's nothing wrong with it Jamie, it's only been in the box in my pocket and at my mates and he hasn't even looked at it.
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    Jamie, did you use the terminal with the green sleeve on. I used it as ground for the left channel.
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    Yeah. It's worth experimenting with neg connections and checking phase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulf-2007 View Post
    Jamie, did you use the terminal with the green sleeve on. I used it as ground for the left channel.
    no!!!! thats for testing only,thats why it has a green sleeve on it,you just use 1 earth tag. thats your problem right there paul.
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    I said this 7 posts back.

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