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  1. #71
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    Andrew,

    you had a chance yet to try the 12 gauge speaker cable over the 16 yet?
    Interested in seeing if thats a worthwhile change or not.

    Really like the 16, works really well in my system.
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    Wharfedale Evo 4.4
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    PS Audio Directstream (Modded)
    TURNTABLE
    Pro-Ject X8 balanced output via XLR / Ortofon Quintet Blue cartridge
    PHONOSTAGE
    Pro-Ject DS3 B balanced Input (TT and Phonostage powered by Pro-Ject Power box RS2 linear psu)
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    OPPO 203 (Modded: Linear PSU, i2s output to Dac) - Roon Endpoint, HDMI input used for all things Streaming/ PS5 /AppleTV ... also good for movies apparently?
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    Tweaked AP-Linux based Roon Server into Oppo 203 as Roon endpoint
    Ipad Roon Remote.
    Apple Music/ YouTube via AppleTV, fed to Dac via Oppo HDMI input/i2s output to Dac.
    SPEAKER CABLES
    Biwired: Duelund DCA10GA (Bass) Duelund DCA16GA (mid & treble) Duelund 12DCA used as jumpers (On
    "Blackcat Cable" Chris Sommivigo's advice - yup, even with biwire it sounds better - and it does)
    INTERCONNECTS
    All Balanced: Ghost+ recording studio XLR cables

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gazjam View Post
    Andrew,

    you had a chance yet to try the 12 gauge speaker cable over the 16 yet?
    Interested in seeing if thats a worthwhile change or not.

    Really like the 16, works really well in my system.
    Not yet I've got the get the Radford Pre fixed. It's down on a channel. It's been sent off and i'm awaiting delivery. So, experiment partly on hold. I've a few other irons in the fire and the Real Sound experiment is down the list at the minute.
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    CD Teac VRDS25X(Audiotuned) DECK 1210 Mat Crystal Audio Mods MN Base/Bearing/Platter+Ebony armboard Feet Isonoe PSU Paul Hynes SR7EHD-27XL/DCSXL Ag DC lead/3 Stage Regs/Recap PCB+No Pitch/Strobe/Light ARM SME V(Kondo Ag Rewire&Tags) MC Cadenza Black FGS CABLES Arm Yannis SPD-4 IC Yannis 222 Litz+Ag bullets Power WAR PRE ATC SCA2 SPEAKERS ATC 50ASL STANDS Atacama PHONO Sugden Masterclass PA4 SUT Ortofon ST80SE POWER PSAudio P10

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    What is so special about the Dueland cable? Stranded nickel-plated copper over solid silver - I thought you were an argyrophile?
    Barry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    What is so special about the Dueland cable? Stranded nickel-plated copper over solid silver - I thought you were an argyrophile?
    There's nothing special about the cable, the system is purely a fun based project. I suppose you could say, a fool and his money...... Anyway, why argyrophile? Yep I like silver but I don't want to get impregnated with it
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    Croft Epoch(Modded) AMP Sondex S100 (Modded) SPEAKERS Tannoy 15"MG+RFC Warwick cabs+ Ref XO + Batpure supertweeters DECK Garrard 301 Mat Teunto Bearings 401(Bastin) Plinth Bamboo Arms 3009/3012 PSU Eagle+Tachometer MC Ag Meister II/FGS + Ortofon SPU MONO CABLES Arm Yannis 420.5 Litz+ SpeakerPC Tripple C+WBT-0681 Ag IC Oyaide FTVS-510 AgWBT 0110Ag Phonostages Paradise(4 Box Mega-Modded) / Croft Musicmaker



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    argyrophile - a lover of silver, aurophile - a lover of gold. I'm an oenophile - a lover of wine.

    But you're not the only user of Dueland cable; so what is their attraction over other speaker cables? In other words, why are you using them?
    Barry

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    Andrew, a question skweezy pleeze?

    Making up a couple of sets on interconnects in the new year with the 16 gauge Duelund, did you find the interconnects made as much of a difference than running it as speaker wire?
    If so, did you find any particular plug to be the best in this application?

    ta much.
    AC POWER
    Hardwired 10kVA balanced mains powering entire system
    AMPS
    Meridian 557 power Amp (Modded) / PS Audio BHK Preamp (Modded)
    SPEAKERS
    Wharfedale Evo 4.4
    DAC
    PS Audio Directstream (Modded)
    TURNTABLE
    Pro-Ject X8 balanced output via XLR / Ortofon Quintet Blue cartridge
    PHONOSTAGE
    Pro-Ject DS3 B balanced Input (TT and Phonostage powered by Pro-Ject Power box RS2 linear psu)
    DIGITAL
    OPPO 203 (Modded: Linear PSU, i2s output to Dac) - Roon Endpoint, HDMI input used for all things Streaming/ PS5 /AppleTV ... also good for movies apparently?
    MUSIC PLAYBACK
    Tweaked AP-Linux based Roon Server into Oppo 203 as Roon endpoint
    Ipad Roon Remote.
    Apple Music/ YouTube via AppleTV, fed to Dac via Oppo HDMI input/i2s output to Dac.
    SPEAKER CABLES
    Biwired: Duelund DCA10GA (Bass) Duelund DCA16GA (mid & treble) Duelund 12DCA used as jumpers (On
    "Blackcat Cable" Chris Sommivigo's advice - yup, even with biwire it sounds better - and it does)
    INTERCONNECTS
    All Balanced: Ghost+ recording studio XLR cables

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gazjam View Post
    Andrew, a question skweezy pleeze?

    Making up a couple of sets on interconnects in the new year with the 16 gauge Duelund, did you find the interconnects made as much of a difference than running it as speaker wire?
    If so, did you find any particular plug to be the best in this application?


    ta much.
    Gaz (?),

    It was very difficult to get the Belden 8402 microphone cable and Mine came from POLAND!!! To this day I still use this alongside Switchcraft 3502AAU RCA’s. I have three pairs of IC's that I've made up over the years. I've not tried the 16 Gauge Duelund but you might be interested in this https://jeffsplace.positive-feedback...le-at-dealers/ it might save you a lot of time and effort?!!?? I've not had the "REAL SOUND" system up and running in nearly 7 weeks now. It was supposed to be a winter project but my Radford Pre-amp got buggered and my time has been recently taken up with this https://theartofsound.net/forum/show...84-My-new-deck . I will be running a Garrard 301 as the front end in the "REAL SOUND" system with a SME 3009 and a 3012 running SPU's and classic MM's. Sorry I can't comment on the 16 gauge stuff.
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    no need to buy from poland,you can get it here https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Belden-84...72.m2749.l2649

    i also tried it with the switchcraft rca's and thought they were awful,the kle's went straight back again.
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    Thanks Andy,
    Been reading the Jeffsplace Blog for a while now, that’s what got me interested in the Duelund stuff.
    Use the 16 gauge stuff unterminated as suggested by the blog into my H2’s, just sounds “right”.

    So curious about the interconnects as well, make a couple of sets up in the new year and post back.

    Looking at the KLEI’s myself actually.
    AC POWER
    Hardwired 10kVA balanced mains powering entire system
    AMPS
    Meridian 557 power Amp (Modded) / PS Audio BHK Preamp (Modded)
    SPEAKERS
    Wharfedale Evo 4.4
    DAC
    PS Audio Directstream (Modded)
    TURNTABLE
    Pro-Ject X8 balanced output via XLR / Ortofon Quintet Blue cartridge
    PHONOSTAGE
    Pro-Ject DS3 B balanced Input (TT and Phonostage powered by Pro-Ject Power box RS2 linear psu)
    DIGITAL
    OPPO 203 (Modded: Linear PSU, i2s output to Dac) - Roon Endpoint, HDMI input used for all things Streaming/ PS5 /AppleTV ... also good for movies apparently?
    MUSIC PLAYBACK
    Tweaked AP-Linux based Roon Server into Oppo 203 as Roon endpoint
    Ipad Roon Remote.
    Apple Music/ YouTube via AppleTV, fed to Dac via Oppo HDMI input/i2s output to Dac.
    SPEAKER CABLES
    Biwired: Duelund DCA10GA (Bass) Duelund DCA16GA (mid & treble) Duelund 12DCA used as jumpers (On
    "Blackcat Cable" Chris Sommivigo's advice - yup, even with biwire it sounds better - and it does)
    INTERCONNECTS
    All Balanced: Ghost+ recording studio XLR cables

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    You could try some of the fancy new Duelund RCA's but I don't think I'll be bothering. I may try some pure copper RCA's at the moment. I'm trying to do a system without an Silver in it!
    SS
    CD Teac VRDS25X(Audiotuned) DECK 1210 Mat Crystal Audio Mods MN Base/Bearing/Platter+Ebony armboard Feet Isonoe PSU Paul Hynes SR7EHD-27XL/DCSXL Ag DC lead/3 Stage Regs/Recap PCB+No Pitch/Strobe/Light ARM SME V(Kondo Ag Rewire&Tags) MC Cadenza Black FGS CABLES Arm Yannis SPD-4 IC Yannis 222 Litz+Ag bullets Power WAR PRE ATC SCA2 SPEAKERS ATC 50ASL STANDS Atacama PHONO Sugden Masterclass PA4 SUT Ortofon ST80SE POWER PSAudio P10

    VALVE
    PRE
    Croft Epoch(Modded) AMP Sondex S100 (Modded) SPEAKERS Tannoy 15"MG+RFC Warwick cabs+ Ref XO + Batpure supertweeters DECK Garrard 301 Mat Teunto Bearings 401(Bastin) Plinth Bamboo Arms 3009/3012 PSU Eagle+Tachometer MC Ag Meister II/FGS + Ortofon SPU MONO CABLES Arm Yannis 420.5 Litz+ SpeakerPC Tripple C+WBT-0681 Ag IC Oyaide FTVS-510 AgWBT 0110Ag Phonostages Paradise(4 Box Mega-Modded) / Croft Musicmaker



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