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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldpinkman View Post
    Do you have a single credible reference for that statement? I readily accept that the EU was intended to be a political union. That's why it has a Parliament and legislature.
    But "nation states will be disbanded"???
    One credible source.
    As I said there used to be an EU regions map and it was on an official EU site - but I can't find it now so they must have taken it down. It was about 10 years ago and the EU has become much more unpopular since then.
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    I,m sure ive seen that somewhere too.... Twas some years ago though.

    A eu army would make a mockery of those "we must be able to defend the country and have neuclear weapons" though.. Assuming this spreads through the forces of course ,,, as it would.
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    Who would we fight with this EU army? Or defend against? The Russians?

    I suppose if the EU had central control of all armed forces it would prevent the individual states taking unilateral action that the EU disagreed with. Our gov is probably dumb enough to go along with it but I can't see the French going for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    I can't see the French going for it.
    Yes. I expect France probably has the biggest and best set of armed forces in Europe. I can't see them being willing to relinquish any control.
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    I may be out of date but the Bundeswehr was the largest army in western Europe. As for the French being the 'best' that is debatable. They relied on conscription until 1997. Historically only the Foreign Legion and the paratroops have demonstrated any exceptional fighting qualities. The bulk of their new professional army remains untested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    As I said there used to be an EU regions map and it was on an official EU site - but I can't find it now so they must have taken it down. It was about 10 years ago and the EU has become much more unpopular since then.
    I'll take that for no then

    And presumably this alleged EU map on a web site (internet launched in 1991) was not your claimed evidence of a 1950's plan for an integrated army and police force.

    Is anybody here aware that both Turkey and Germany are part of NATO?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    I may be out of date but the Bundeswehr was the largest army in western Europe. As for the French being the 'best' that is debatable. They relied on conscription until 1997. Historically only the Foreign Legion and the paratroops have demonstrated any exceptional fighting qualities. The bulk of their new professional army remains untested.
    Surely it is the Italian army that is the best in the world?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldpinkman View Post
    I'll take that for no then

    And presumably this alleged EU map on a web site (internet launched in 1991) was not your claimed evidence of a 1950's plan for an integrated army and police force.
    I vaguely remember some hoo-hah about a map of Europe published around ten years ago that missed out Wales, here you go:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/3715512.stm

    A bureaucratic blunder has left Wales off a map of Europe on the cover of a prestigious EU reference book.
    The Eurostat Statistical Compendium has all the facts and figures on Europe.

    All EU member states, and the rest of Britain, are accurately represented on the cover - but Wales has disappeared and been replaced by the Irish Sea.

    A line was drawn from Chester to the Severn Estuary, roughly along the English border, but to the west there is nothing until the Irish coast.

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    They've wanted to do this for ages. It won't happen, if anything, because the equipment cannot be standardised. Also, each military has their own doctrine, finally, only three member states have aircraft carriers, so the burden would be disproportionate. NATO more than does the job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by walpurgis View Post
    Yes. I expect France probably has the biggest and best set of armed forces in Europe. I can't see them being willing to relinquish any control.
    Why do you expect that?

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