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    VFM and performance-wise, I simply can't think of another cartridge which can hold a candle to the Zyx ZR-50 Bloom-H in MC-land. Would also recommend the Benz Glider (although it's a fair bit pricier) but if you're after improving on the 2M Black, you wont do it with most budget high output MCs. It's true that the Black can be quite detailed almost verging on analytical but it is also true that most users don't have them loaded properly for capacitance (they like between 350 to 500pF to get the best and give a less analytical balance).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reffc View Post
    VFM and performance-wise, I simply can't think of another cartridge which can hold a candle to the Zyx ZR-50 Bloom-H in MC-land.
    Yes. It's amazing at the price (in some ways at any price).
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    Quote Originally Posted by walpurgis View Post
    Yes. It's amazing at the price (in some ways at any price).
    Hi Geoff, did you use a high output or low ZR50 BloomH and which SUT did you find worked best with it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
    Hi Geoff, did you use a high output or low ZR50 BloomH and which SUT did you find worked best with it?
    Yeah. I've got a Bloom H in my collection. It worked just fine with all my SUTs. Art Audio, Fidelity Research FRT-3, Osawa OS-100T and Luxman AD8000/8020 (I no longer own the first two by the way). If you're after an SUT, be careful what you get. Most of the cheaper second hand ones are crap and just destroy the MC experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by walpurgis View Post
    Yeah. I've got a Bloom H in my collection. It worked just fine with all my SUTs. Art Audio, Fidelity Research FRT-3, Osawa OS-100T and Luxman AD8000/8020 (I no longer own the first two by the way). If you're after an SUT, be careful what you get. Most of the cheaper second hand ones are crap and just destroy the MC experience.
    Agree totally. Good used SUTs can be had for aorund 200 with a little searching though. Bargain basement "entry level" SUTs are best avoided completely. The magic imho starts north of 400 in most cases if buying new. I can highly recommend Albarrys MCA11 head amp as an alternative to a SUT. Superb S/N performance, battery powered and adjustable loading. Good, punchy and highly musical headamp with very low noise floor for very reasonable money. Just plug into a good phonostage and you're away. I use the 0.48mV (what ZYX call the "H" version) so it isn't really a high output, just a higher output than their 0.24mV version which needs a lot more gain and more gain = better quality can mean a more expensive SUT/Headamp! The 0.48mV version is the one to go for as Geoff says, it works well into most commonly available SUTs and headamps.

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    Adam,

    Totally agree. I thought the Thorens TD321 and SME3009R were the perfect match for the DL-103 until I got it hooked to a part Japanese system.

    A Micro-Seiki DD-5 turntable with MA-303 tonearm via an Elac MC-21 Class A SUT into a Musical Fidelity X-LPS v8 phono stage. This is then fed into a Fisher X-101-B and a Wharfedale Rosedale. Then the magic happened!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CageyH View Post
    How about a HOMC such as the SAE1000LT?
    I have one and had it good while, not currently used but very well regarded. Was just thinking to mount it in a headshell and have another listen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daman View Post
    Adam,

    Totally agree. I thought the Thorens TD321 and SME3009R were the perfect match for the DL-103 until I got it hooked to a part Japanese system.

    A Micro-Seiki DD-5 turntable with MA-303 tonearm via an Elac MC-21 Class A SUT into a Musical Fidelity X-LPS v8 phono stage. This is then fed into a Fisher X-101-B and a Wharfedale Rosedale. Then the magic happened!
    Daman I havent given up on the 103R yet.
    I have a heavy Jelco HS30 headshell for it and will try it on a 3012 mk2 and later in a Jelco 850S, when i get time to install it.
    Looking forward to the magic the likes of Marco and you go on about.
    I have never heard the 2M Black
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    SM, am eagerly waiting for the outcome. Will be as expected.


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    Marmite. Having owned a couple of 103's I found them ok. However, after a while I found them a little boring. I found the 110 a lot better and I have one bolted to my VPI as we speak. The 110 seems to work well with the arm too and betters the 2M blue I have.
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