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    Quote Originally Posted by walpurgis View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philberish View Post
    Well we got some pretty good reviews with the 442 but it wasn't an easy sell what with its weight, looks and transit screws. It needed a big room too and that look was decidedly "Marmite" – especially after an expensive London design consultancy got asked to help (I remember a colleague at MS describing the cabinet as looking like a child's coffin. That was nice). A bigger problem though was that the UK sales guy had a back problem and struggled to get 442s out of his car and into dealers. He was much happier demoing MS20s.

    Yeah the Darius was an odd one. One of the first with a decoupled tweeter though. And most Spendors are glorious (although the BC1 I always thought was overrated). Spencer Hughes' son Derek is currently doing all the design work at Graham Audio - the new LS3 is a lovely little box. We'll have to disagree on the SBL (you know it had basically the same bass/mid driver as the Pageant 2?), but then I had many good times at Naim so I'm a b it biased in its favour.

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    I must admit I’ve never owned a bad pair of Mordaunt Short speakers, they don’t seem to hold their value as well as their peers and as others have said in the right location with the right kit can punch well above their weight


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    Would anybody know the values of the inductors on the Pageant 2 crossover. A pair I picked up recently have some burned / melted inductors for the treble in both speakers. Looking at a complete crossover rebuild. I cant find any info on what type inductors are used. The woofer ones seem to be still working fine.

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    Hi Emmett,

    I was a design engineer at MS in the early 80s and, sadly, I can remember the Pageant 2 inductor values. The HF is 0.225mH and the LF is 1.5mH with a switched tap for 1.0mH. I knew there must be a reason why I’ve remembered that all these years. Maybe I’ll be able to forget now.

    Hope you get the Pageants back up and running (careful with those Isophon tweeters - they’re a bit delicate and irreplaceable).

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emmett123 View Post
    Would anybody know the values of the inductors on the Pageant 2 crossover. A pair I picked up recently have some burned / melted inductors for the treble in both speakers. Looking at a complete crossover rebuild. I cant find any info on what type inductors are used. The woofer ones seem to be still working fine.
    I have never seen melted inductors. Are you sure they are inductors you are looking at? I've seen failed or overheated resistors and capacitors, do you have a photo?

    The crossovers shouldn't be difficult to repair or replace as suitable components should be available. They are decent speakers and certainly worth the effort.
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    i have a spare pair of x-overs if you need them?

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    In case anybody is not sure which components are which in Jamie's photos.

    The black top left items are wire-wound resistors, the red is an inductor, the green is a tapped inductor and the Elcaps are the capacitors.

    I'd replace the Elcaps as a matter of course as they are old and they can be replaced cheaply with Alcap items or something fancier if desired.

    The inductors and resistors are probably fine.
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    there are loads of threads about the pagaents,lots have replaced the caps as i did.
    i never did the inductors but knowing how much new larger inductors improved my ns1000's i reckon they would be on my to do list if i ever revisted the pagaents again.

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    Thanks for the replies. The inductors are scorched for sure. It looks like the plastic tape wrap melted from overheating of the resistors? In both speakers too. Even some scorch damage on the wooly filling.

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