"Music stranglers" in reference to NVA

[Ashley James]

Of course what the industry needs is to move to high powered amps 200W min, better 1KW to give the head room needed. No way should manufactures try to design or even think of designing lighter and more efficient drive units that need less power to drive them because that would mean they wouldn't be able to use Class B bridged SS amp topologies with 35db or more of feedback to keep it all linear.

If music is to be reproduced accurately then this post is absolutely right and it mimics an April Fool Article in the Wireless World in 1970.

There is a common misconception that drive unit sensitivity can be increased so that bigger amps aren't needed. Quite apart from the break ups that aren't controllable in lighter diaphragms, there's the issue of bass extension. Sensitivity only increases in the Mid Band, the bass stays where it was, therefore the lower the sensitivity, the greater the bass extension. Modern drive units are what the majority consider an acceptable compromise of the two requirements and there isn't scope to change it.

Horns are not suitable and were ousted years ago because they were as good as the direct radiating speakers we use now.

[Marco]

My apologies for intruding on the discussion but may I direct your attention to Mark's reply regarding your comments yesterday about the TDA1541 S1 DAC chip:

http://theartofsound.net/forum/showt...=4498#post4498

Your comments would be appreciated

Marco.

[WikiBoy]

LOL @ the Sun!

Thanks for the clarification about "Music stranglers", Richard.

Have you ever heard a recent pair of Spendors, or in particular, the SP100s?

I'm sorry to 'go on' about this but I would just like it made absolutely clear in the public domain.

Once done, I will contact 'adieadie' and ask him to retract his comments about "Music stranglers" because you didn't say it, and the term is not representative of your opinion of the speakers described. Factual accuracy is very important on forums (and I insist on it here), as false information can lead to all sorts of problems!

Marco.

Silly arse, you really are getting on your high horse - do you own shares in Spendor - is it a product of your loins, or perhaps you just w*** over them

Music stranglers is a perfectly good interpretation of what I said, I just didn't say it in those words.

I don't go to shows or shops or buy product, so I don't listen in your terms anymore. Pointless if I did as they would all have to come home to judge. I stopped that pointless nonsense in 2000 and I have one reference - music, and how *I* want to hear it.

I really cannot remember if I have ever heard your speakers or not which is why I didn't answer. If designed since 2000 then definitely no. Please understand - you are speaking to a grumpy fossilised old git who should have been put out to audio pastures years ago. When you have been doing this for over 30 years a lot of things I have said can be called up. All is valid though because it refers to principle, not specifics. Spendor had a design principle (maybe not anymore) which I hated and dissagreed with.

[Marco]

LOL. All is crystal clear, Richard!

I simply like factual accuracy, that's all. Something either is something or it isn't.

Marco.

[jcbrum]

Richard, if sp100's are no good, what do you suggest ?

[WikiBoy]

Richard, if sp100's are no good, what do you suggest ?

That you shut up and give the forum a chance to breathe!

[Ashley James]

I think Richard is killing this thread!

[Steve Toy]

Indeed. Would you describe the SP100s as "music stranglers", Steve - especially the last time you heard them with the Yaqin and your Spectral preamp?

In a word: no.

[jandl100]

Indeed. Would you describe the SP100s as "music stranglers", Steve - especially the last time you heard them with the Yaqin and your Spectral preamp?

Marco.

Fair enough - but I suspect you do have to go to the top of the Spendor line to escape the particular compromises evident in lesser Spendors. I can't be bothered to check, but I think it was £5k for the new S100R? Spend a lot less on a Spendor and you get curtailed (strangled) dynamics and transparency, imho. Don't get me wrong, you get lots of good things too - but it's all a compromise at less than cost-no-object prices, and to get a flat freq response something else has to give.

As you spotted, Marco, I had the Spendor SP1/2 and prior to that the Rogers Export Monitor - both very fine speakers in their way, but definitely on the strangled side, which for me was a compromise I didn't want to accept. I've currently got some JR149 and JR150 speakers - now they aren't strangled, but they have less bass weight and mid-range 'oomph' among their particular compromises. I prefer that sound, others wouldn't.
We'll see what my new Proac Future Point 5s sound like when they arrive soon (they were shipped from the dealer today! ).

[Ashley James]

They are old fashioned and soft in the Bass, which results in the recessed mid I'd guess you're referring to.

Big Amps make a big difference because they have lots of headroom and control the bass better. Most clipping on modern music is caused by kick drums or the electronic equivalent. If the amp doesn't have sufficient headroom, when it clips it puts a burst of DC in at about 60 Hz and the mid suffers.