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  1. #21
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    I actually agree with you Marco. It's just where I am right now in my hifi journey. I just want to focus on passives for now, but I didn't say it would be that way forever.
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    Sure, that's fair enough

    Marco.
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    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

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    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

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    What it is about a passive that floats your boat Figlet?

    I have a Django TVC which I use occasionally, currently configured to +6dB but can easily be reset to 0dB and a B4 buffer stage which whilst it's powered is unity gain. It's a very interesting listen. However I've pretty much returned to my Grounded Grid valve preamp in my main system for the same reason Jandl gave.
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    Hi Jason
    Magnificent effort with all of the hifi hardware including building casework, and arranging a bake-off with more to come.

    Would be interested to know if you used our earlier control board or the last one we sent you ? As usual updates are sent without cost to our customers, and some improvements are being researched.

    Cheers / Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by CornishPasty View Post
    What it is about a passive that floats your boat Figlet?

    I have a Django TVC which I use occasionally, currently configured to +6dB but can easily be reset to 0dB and a B4 buffer stage which whilst it's powered is unity gain. It's a very interesting listen. However I've pretty much returned to my Grounded Grid valve preamp in my main system for the same reason Jandl gave.
    Hi Ralph, the thing is that in my system the negatives that Jerry describes about his former LDR, (the same criticisms that I've heard in general about passives), I just don't experience. I get the transparency and detail but with plenty of drive, lots of excitement and not at all limp (so I guess er... stiff )

    The Young DAC I use sends a strong signal and has a low impedance, the EAR509s have a relatively high impedance and my speakers have super simple cross-overs that are really easy to drive. Passives just work really well in that setup.

    On the other hand if Marco's Croft blows me away it will certainly change my perspective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Light Dependant Resistor View Post
    Hi Jason
    Magnificent effort with all of the hifi hardware including building casework, and arranging a bake-off with more to come.

    Would be interested to know if you used our earlier control board or the last one we sent you ? As usual updates are sent without cost to our customers, and some improvements are being researched.

    Cheers / Chris
    Hi Chris,

    I used the latest control board you sent and the latest (500k) pot too.
    And the PSU was back up to 12v as we discussed.
    The only thing that I realise now I forgot to do was remove the ground connection from the control board. I think you said that would improve things slightly and I'll make sure I make that change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Figlet108 View Post
    Hi Chris,

    I used the latest control board you sent and the latest (500k) pot too.
    And the PSU was back up to 12v as we discussed.
    The only thing that I realise now I forgot to do was remove the ground connection from the control board. I think you said that would improve things slightly and I'll make sure I make that change.
    Hi Jason
    The latest control boards already break that connection to other circuitry. So you can try with or without. The effect with J2 Control board ground connected with the latest boards is to place in parallel with the DC output a small capacitor and resistor if you wish to use it.

    Cheers / Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by Figlet108 View Post
    On the other hand if Marco's Croft blows me away it will certainly change my perspective.
    As ever in life, it's a benchmark thing, and so ultimately a question of what one is used to. In that respect, sampling a glass of Cava may initially be wonderful, but only until one savours the delights of Dom Pérignon...

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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  9. #29
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    This is interesting. I have been following Jason's limestone box build over at the other place, as I am using the same stone on my speakers. Then I get a PM from Chris mentioning this pre (I used to buy opamps from him). And I use a Promitheus TVC! Sadly Plymouth is a bit far to pop over for a bake off, but I will be back in Manchester next month visiting friends, so maybe something could be arranged. Hopefully someone else will turn up with a comparable TVC so I can see how it compares with the LDR.
    I don't know what it would cost to make the LDR pre, but it is something that might interest me.

  10. #30
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    I first tried using LDRs for volume control around 20 years ago and was immediately impressed with their musical attributes compared to any other volume control I had used. Still using them, and still not found anything better for use in my system.

    For those new to LDR volume control there is a very long thread on DIY Audio Forum covering the ins and outs of using them at :-

    http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/analo...ve-preamp.html

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