That's my problem with the ETP. There isn't a try before you buy scheme available anymore.
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I'm Kevin.
That's my problem with the ETP. There isn't a try before you buy scheme available anymore.
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Kevin
Too busy enjoying the music....
European loan coordinator for Graham Slee HiFi system components..
"That' my problem with the ETP. There isn't a try before you buy scheme available anymore. "
Come on folks you know that it's the best that money can buy!!!
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Different type of upgrade, Chris... Both will alter the sound in different (beneficial) ways. Remember, however, that no phono stage, no matter how good it is, can make up for any information lost at SOURCE.
The source, of course, or if you like, the 'business end' of proceedings, is where the turntable is spinning records, and the arm and cartridge reading musical information contained on them. Employing the use of an ETP platter at that point will allow for extracting greater levels of musical information and delivering it in a more involving and satisfying way to you, the listener.
No phono stage can do that, as its role in proceedings comes into play further down in the chain. Therefore, when it comes to T/Ts, it's SOURCE FIRST all the way!
Marco.
Main System
Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.
Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.
Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.
CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.
Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.
Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.
Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.
Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.
Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.
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I'm Kevin.
No, I don't. I have never heard one.Originally Posted by Mike_New
Kevin
Too busy enjoying the music....
European loan coordinator for Graham Slee HiFi system components..
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I sense a wee holiday to the south of France in the making......
Marco.
Main System
Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.
Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.
Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.
CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.
Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.
Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.
Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.
Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.
Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.
Protect your HUMAN RIGHTS and REFUSE ANY *MANDATORY* VACCINE FOR COVID-19!
Also **SAY NO** to unjust 'vaccine passports' or certificates, which are totally incompatible with a FREE society!!!
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I'm Kevin.
Mike may have more success if someone in the UK had a "loan" platter that they could send out.
This works well on another forum that I am a member of. The person wanting to borrow it is responsible for the postage both ways.
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This is all very trueDifferent type of upgrade, Chris... Both will alter the sound in different (beneficial) ways. Remember, however, that no phono stage, no matter how good it is, can make up for any information lost at SOURCE.
The source, of course, or if you like, the 'business end' of proceedings, is where the turntable is spinning records, and the arm and cartridge reading musical information contained on them. Employing the use of an ETP platter at that point will allow for extracting greater levels of musical information and delivering it in a more involving and satisfying way to you, the listener.
No phono stage can do that, as its role in proceedings comes into play further down in the chain. Therefore, when it comes to T/Ts, it's SOURCE FIRST all the way!
Marco.But I do have to wait for the funds. A great idea, yes, if Mike would provide a ETP loaner platter that could be sent around for testing before buying. That would help me alot
Turntable 1: Technics SL1210M5G/ KAB PSU/ KAB Fluid Damper
Turntable 2: Rega P3 (new) Tangospinner & dual belt/ Rega Neo
Amplifier: Rega Elex-R
RIAA: Rega Fono mk3 & Schiit Mani
Speaker: Klipsch RP280f
Cartridge: Rega Exact & Nagaoka MP-110
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Sounds like a good idea to me! The benefits for Mike would be along the lines of 'speculate to accumulate', which is something many good businesses do with their products
Mike, what about it?
Marco.
Main System
Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.
Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.
Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.
CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.
Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.
Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.
Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.
Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.
Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.
Protect your HUMAN RIGHTS and REFUSE ANY *MANDATORY* VACCINE FOR COVID-19!
Also **SAY NO** to unjust 'vaccine passports' or certificates, which are totally incompatible with a FREE society!!!
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I'm Clive.
That may be a valid opinion, but it is NOT a fact. Folk that have an investment in the platter are not going to do anything else but enthuse. You used to have a distributer in the UK who was extremely helpful in loaning bits of kit which allowed potential customer to make informed decisions. I purchased my own bearing with that safety net in place.
Clive
PS: I'm very happy with the Mike New Bearing
SOURCE:OPPO UDP-205 BluRay, SkyQ, Technics SL1210M5G/HexMat Eclipse/MN Bearing/Origin Live Gravity One puck/Isonoes with Boots/Jelco TK-850S Tonearm/Hana Umami Blue, PS Audio Stellar Phonostage. I also have an AT-OC9XSH as a spare cartridge.
AMPLIFIER: Bryston BR-20 Pre/DAC/Streamer & Bryston 4B3 Power Amplifier
SPEAKERS: Spendor D7 on Iso-Acoustics Gaia III’s
HEADPHONES: OPPO PM-1 with Atlas Zeno cable, B&W Pi7 S2 and B&W C5 v2.
CABLES: Analogue: Speaker Atlas Mavros Grun. Interconnect - Atlas Mavros XLR x3, MCRU Silver Tonearm cable
Digital:Audioquest Carbon Ethernet x 4, Audioquest Carbon digital, English Electric 8Switch, Chord Optichord, Atlas Optical.
Mains: PS Audio Perfectwave AC-05 x 5, Isol-8 Powerline Extreme with Quantum Science yellow fuse on input cable, Sounds Fantastic 6way Mains Blocks.
STORAGE: Synology DS216J NAS with 2 x 3Tb WD Red hard-drives. Samsung 500Gb SSD.
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I'm Andrew.
The ETP only offers a slight improvement over the original Al/Cu bonded platter IMHO. The cost for that improvement was too great, I didn't feel I had SPPV so I kept my original platter (which I think is excellent by the way).
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