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    The other thing you need to keep in mind about the $€£ of high-end components these days it that as the market rapidly and quickly contracts, the prices must go up to keep some semblance of profit as the unit sales go down. Just because a whatever costs 20K doesn't necessarily mean that it's thousands and thousands better. This and that there is a huge amount of Veblen pricing in this industry...

    Anyway, I am in awe of how well the Techie responds to modification when addressing some of it's engineering tradeoffs. This thing is just amazing. It's so much better than the Rega Planar25 it replaced it's laughable. I'm seriously contemplating a megabuck arm, like a Graham or something similar. My experiences so far say that it will respond very well to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 6L6 View Post
    You don't even need to go fully modded, the SL-1200 has a certain rightness to timing, flow, rhythm, pitch and soul that any low-mass rubberband deck just can't do. It has it when completely stock. (They are just dark when stock) Modded the deck is a complete and utter giant killer.

    The mods you have done have been an improvement in the proper direction, yes? By all reports the ones you mention also move it in the right direction. Don't get caught up in the idea that spending more money on a different, expensive table is a guarantee of good sound... It's just a guarantee of spending more money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 6L6 View Post
    The other thing you need to keep in mind about the $€£ of high-end components these days it that as the market rapidly and quickly contracts, the prices must go up to keep some semblance of profit as the unit sales go down. Just because a whatever costs 20K doesn't necessarily mean that it's thousands and thousands better. This and that there is a huge amount of Veblen pricing in this industry...

    Anyway, I am in awe of how well the Techie responds to modification when addressing some of it's engineering tradeoffs. This thing is just amazing. It's so much better than the Rega Planar25 it replaced it's laughable. I'm seriously contemplating a megabuck arm, like a Graham or something similar. My experiences so far say that it will respond very well to it.
    My experience also suggests that the deck responds very well to a good arm. I would only class mine as a moderately expensive but mega arm but I have never heard a Graham or Dynavector.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisKemp View Post
    Is any of your 15 TT one of the turntables I wrote on my list i the opening post.?

    Unfortunately not
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    Depends on what you like listening to in music, l am getting my Gyrodec next week, so can let peeps know when l have compared my Techie at home( see system details), l heard them at the showroom and l loved the sound of the Gyrodec-it sounded stunning, having heard AudioAL's highly pimped Techie, that sounded superb as well it really did,it all depends on your priorities are in sound. Good luck and have fun!
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    I understand that the Technics is a great table. That is why I bought one I just can't find any Technics vs xx turntable reviews. Rega is not my cup of tea, but I really love the design of the JR Transrotor ZET-1. The ZET-1 with a Rega arm, cost £2500 here in Norway. For me a fully modified 1210mk2 will cost a total of £2500. With a Transrotor 800S arm the ZET-1 will cost £2800.

    So many say the fully upgraded 1200/1210 is a really great deck. But until it is compared directly to another high end deck in the same pricerange, how can any say how great the Techy really is? I think my 1210mk2 is great now, that is without MN bearing, no ETP or expensive arm. I ask, because it is not easy to try out alot of TT at home.

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    Do you have a active audio group in Norway ? maybe arrange a a one day meet up with a techy user
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    Yes we have vinyl clubs not far from me. I could bring my 1210mk2 and have a listen and compare mine to others. That is a very good idea, Audio Al, but what I would be most interested in is a fully modded Technics, like some of the members on the AoS have. I don't know if there are any fully upgraded decks in Norway...

    A fully modded vs xx. I can't find any threads of that on this forum either?

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    Hi Chris,

    I'll come back to this later (as I've compared my modded Technics to quite a few high-end commercial T/Ts), but in the meantime, have a read at these threads:

    http://theartofsound.net/forum/showt...-SP10-a-review

    http://theartofsound.net/forum/showt...amichi-TX-1000

    Those were some comparisons I carried out years ago when my T/T was in a far lower state of modification than it is now



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    One afternoon I tried an XX-2/Uphorik with my SL1210/TimeStepHE/MikeNewBearing/EkosII, and with a Well Tempered Amadeus, versus a full Klimax Sondek (Radikal, Keel, Ekos SE, Akiva, Urika). There was very little in it, but I thought the 1210 held its own. It had the speed stability to match the WTA and very nearly as much detail as the Sondek. I felt the Sondek was the most detailed but least musical of the three decks due to the trademark speed instability, with subtle wobbling and de-tuning of sustained notes, and associated loss of melodic and harmonic tunefulness. The WTA was very musical but seemed very slightly to lack detail compared to the Ekossed decks. The Techie was about the best of both worlds: great detail and accurate pitch. If the playing field were leveled by putting the Ekos SE/Akiva on the Technics I would expect the Technics to match the Sondek for detail and win on speed stability/tunefulness.
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