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    "Archive" solution recipe as used by record libraries stateside and in the UK in bygone times:

    25% (max) lab grade 99.9% pure IPA;

    75% demineralised/de-ionised water;

    Add to this 0.5 to 1% by volume Ilford Ilfotol wetting agent (do not use older recipes such as Kodak Photoflo as the additives could leave a residue).

    Personally, I'd avoid using washing up liquid as it contains large amounts of salt but a little (as in a few drops per litre) may be ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reffc View Post
    "Archive" solution recipe as used by record libraries stateside and in the UK in bygone times:

    25% (max) lab grade 99.9% pure IPA;

    75% demineralised/de-ionised water;

    Add to this 0.5 to 1% by volume Ilford Ilfotol wetting agent (do not use older recipes such as Kodak Photoflo as the additives could leave a residue).

    Personally, I'd avoid using washing up liquid as it contains large amounts of salt but a little (as in a few drops per litre) may be ok.
    Water - check
    IPA - check
    Ilfotol - check

    Time for the first home brew cleaning solution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CageyH View Post
    Water - check
    IPA - check
    Ilfotol - check

    Time for the first home brew cleaning solution.
    this will give you a good guide for using it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reffc View Post
    "Archive" solution recipe as used by record libraries stateside and in the UK in bygone times:

    25% (max) lab grade 99.9% pure IPA;

    75% demineralised/de-ionised water;

    Add to this 0.5 to 1% by volume Ilford Ilfotol wetting agent (do not use older recipes such as Kodak Photoflo as the additives could leave a residue).

    Personally, I'd avoid using washing up liquid as it contains large amounts of salt but a little (as in a few drops per litre) may be ok.
    Yes....I have had a RCM for 15 years and the has been my stanby formula

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reffc View Post
    "Archive" solution recipe as used by record libraries stateside and in the UK in bygone times:

    25% (max) lab grade 99.9% pure IPA;

    75% demineralised/de-ionised water;

    Add to this 0.5 to 1% by volume Ilford Ilfotol wetting agent (do not use older recipes such as Kodak Photoflo as the additives could leave a residue).

    Personally, I'd avoid using washing up liquid as it contains large amounts of salt but a little (as in a few drops per litre) may be ok.
    I see no need for fancy concoctions. I use something similar to this formula and no rinsing on my Okki Nokki. I have a Zerostat but never use it. I use a paint pad for cleaning the record. Some front ends seem to be much less forgiving to surface noise than others.

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    Many 'recipes' for record cleaning solution seem to be IPA based. However, I've been using a 50:50 mix of purified water and bio-ethanol with 10ml of Ilfotol in 1 litre. You can get the bio-ethanol from any DIY store - its used as a fuel for these fancy household fires - and it's pretty cheap.

    Anyrate, it seems to work really well and nothing has disolved yet!! I'm sure I read somewhere that it's pretty much the same mix as recommended by Kieth Monks. I did also use a rinse of purified water for a while, but now I don't bother.

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    Cheers chaps, I'll have a look.
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    Ali
    A small bottle of this goes a long way http://www.garrard501.com/Test_L_ART_KNOSTI.pdf I mix with triple distilled water.
    I tried using the knosti stuff and I also used a mix as per Reffc above without washing up liquid but after trying this L'art du son the records are ultra clean and literally shine plus I noticed next to no static when you lift it off and when you use the brush on the record before playing it feels silky with no drag so I am impressed and will be getting another bottle when this one is gone, it really is worth the money IMO

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    Sorry folks but in my opinion L'art du Son is a complete no no and I say this with a heavy heart as Martina Schoener is a friend of mine and someone whose opinion in most things audio I respect. L'Art du Son fluid is, as I understand it, organic and many people report things grow in it. Now I know it says only make up the concentrate in small amounts, but I left an unopened bottle of concentrate in a cupboard for a few months and even the concentrate had strings growing in it. I have not done any tests but the thought that I was putting a growing medium on my records fills me with dread.

    BTW after a lot of research while I was working with Loricraft, we got the perfect mix of IPA, distilled water and wetting agent. Paul from Reffc almost has it right . I can't give the exact mix in case Loricraft want to sell it at a later date and it could be considered commercially confidential information.

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    I have L'Art du Son and if you keep to small quantities at a time and refrigerate growths are almost eliminated. As far as it's use is concerned I would strongly recommend a rinse with an alcohol based cleaner or distilled water. I only now reserve it for problem discs were it may remove some stubborn deposits. It also alters the sound in a way that is not positive in my view pointing towards some being left in the grooves. Hence a strong suggestion it is thoroughly rinsed and vacuumed off after it's done it's cleaning job. Needless to say I rarely use it finding that the standard Okki Nokki concentrate does a very good job for the cost.

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