Epos comparisons

[pjdowns]

Hi all,

I have been looking around and see you can get the Epos ES22 loudspeakers for upto around £450.

Currently I have a pair of ES14's which were designed by Robin Marshall and believe that he also was involved in the development of the ES22's

Would the ES22 be enough of an upgrade on the ES14's, obviously being floorstanders I suspect they'll go quite a bit lower in the bass department and that is all I am really looking for as the overall presentation of the ES14's works for me.

Obviously another option would be a Subwoofer, but The ES14's are pretty damn quick and I'd be concerned whether a sub could keep up and thus sound out of place.

Your thoughts and advice would be much appreciated.

Paul.

[hifi_dave]

I wouldn't swop ES14s for ES22. The original was carefully designed, lovingly crafted by the designer. The ES22 isn't.

As for the floor-stander going "quite a bit lower in the bass department". Why should that be ? Often, all you get with a larger cabinet is more waffle and colouration.

[YNWaN]

I agree.

[DSJR]

Paul (used to) uses his Es14's without the port bungs and we had a bit of a polite disagreement about it, so what this means is that the ES22 and especially the 30 may be right up his street, although both do seem to prefer bi-amping as the speaker terminals aren't linked without some wiring being done to the speaker leads.

In the view of a good few here (those that have sold them retail {at least two of us} owned and used them {substantially more}), the ES14 is a lasting classic which still has a firm following today. I'd look at improvements elsewhere in the system as these speakers are quite able to reproduce them - in my opinion...

[YNWaN]

...in my opinion...

And in mine .

[f1eng]

I wouldn't swop ES14s for ES22. The original was carefully designed, lovingly crafted by the designer. The ES22 isn't.

As for the floor-stander going "quite a bit lower in the bass department". Why should that be ? Often, all you get with a larger cabinet is more waffle and colouration.

All the speakers I most enjoy the sound of are stand mounted, even the big ones like Harbeth Monitor 40s, Yamaha NS1000s, Proac EBS and Goldmund Epilogs.
Whether it is because they transfer less waffle to the floor or something else I don't know, but this thread just made me realise it!

[hifi_dave]

And quite a few speakers which look like floor-standers are, in fact, a smaller speaker built onto an empty box. Looks like a floor-stander but sounds like a stand-mount.

[Sovereign]

I had the ES11's for a year or so, I loved them for their speed and insight, but I really wanted a larger more realistic sound, the ES22's that followed gave more of that.
I had the ES22's for 6 months or so and really appreciated them but I went to large OB's after the ES22's that gave me more of what I was after

[jandl100]

All the speakers I most enjoy the sound of are stand mounted, even the big ones like Harbeth Monitor 40s, Yamaha NS1000s, Proac EBS and Goldmund Epilogs.
Whether it is because they transfer less waffle to the floor or something else I don't know, but this thread just made me realise it!

I had the 'floorstanding' Epos ES30 and found they sounded much better, imo, on short stands. Really cleared up some congestion in the upper bass / lower mids. Nice speakers - I bought and sold them for a rather good £500 a few years ago.

[Mika K]

I wouldn't swop ES14s for ES22. The original was carefully designed, lovingly crafted by the designer. The ES22 isn't.

As for the floor-stander going "quite a bit lower in the bass department". Why should that be ? Often, all you get with a larger cabinet is more waffle and colouration.

Have had the ES11s and also ES14s for a short while and also think that with ES22 you would most likely got just something different with other problems. It could be interesting to try ES14s with quality sub but means it's not going to be cheap try as quality subs are not cheap..