Well done, Mods - I doff my cap to you

[Wakefield Turntables]

Man I'm very very glad I kept out of this one.

[Marco]

I agree wholeheartedly. I think the initial problem could have been handled better. I appreciate Marco you tried to resolve things, but protracted phone conversations rather than a simple Yes/No inevitably complicates matters as is often the case two people go away with a different interpretation of what has been agreed (even if that is largely in the imagination of one party). Unfortunately this has now escalated from a personal dispute back to the AOS v Hi-Fi Subjectivist forum war.

Fair enough, Paul. I felt that in very difficult circumstances I handled the situation as best as I could, but none of us are perfect. I'm only responding here as Harry is having his say on HFS, and attempting to spin the truth.

In answer to the 'simple' yes/no thing, I declined to answer one way or the other, as I wanted to explain to Harry what had caused this situation (namely his aggressive and confrontational remarks towards Macca and Clive, on page 5 of the original thread), in the hope that he would accept the blame for his actions. I decided that a phone call was best, as I hate writing emails. It also gave us the opportunity to have a proper 'man-to-man' chat, the old-fashioned way!

Depending on his response over the phone, I would then decide whether he would be un-banned from the forum or not. Therefore, it wasn't as simple as a 'yes or no' answer to his original question.

Marco.

[Marco]

Just to say I wasn't at all bothered by Harry's replies to me, I've spent a lifetime arguing with lefties about politics. You have to take it as read that they firmly believe that they have the moral high ground and that this gives them the right to get angry, upset, emotional, insulting and even on occasion violent when defending their position.

'If you cannot convince a fascist with rhetoric then aquaint his head with the pavement'

Attr: Leon Trotsky

That's cool, Martin, and admirable, but it doesn't justify Harry for addressing you the way he did, or indeed the condescending way he spoke to Clive. Quite simply, we do not treat each other so rudely and disrespectfully on AoS.

If I had been here when the incident occurred, I'd have asked Harry to delete his offensive and confrontational remarks, and any 'back-chat' would've resulted in an immediate ban, long before Alex lost his rag, and the situation wouldn't have escalated as it did. It's really as simple as that.

As usual, it's discussing bloody politics that has caused this fall-out. I abhor the subject with a vengeance (I don't even vote, so care not the slightest jot about 'lefties' or 'righties', or whatever they are called) - all politicians and governments are self-serving wankers, as far as I'm concerned.

In future, we'll be moderating such threads very closely indeed and any sniff of the crap that happened on the Barnsley 16s thread will be dealt with instantly and severely!

Marco.

[Marco]

Oh, and I recorded my conversation with Harry (as I see that he's now bleating about that), because I *knew* that I'd likely need the evidence.... After having behaved the way that he has, I've been proven right!!

And if we're talking about being "nice", Harry, what about publishing people's private emails in the public domain without their consent, especially when it's being done with malice? How "nice" is that, my friend??

Marco.

[Macca]

As usual, it's discussing bloody politics that has caused this fall-out. I abhor the subject with a vengeance (I don't even vote, so care not the slightest jot about 'lefties' or 'righties', or whatever they are called) - all politicians and governments are self-serving wankers, as far as I'm concerned.

In future, we'll be moderating such threads very closely indeed and any sniff of the crap that happened on the Barnsley 16s thread will be dealt with instantly and severely!

Marco.

Actually Harry had seemed a bit 'twitchy' on some of the hi-fi related threads prior to this incident, the politics thread was just a catalyst I suspect. But I agree in general with what you are saying.

[anthonyTD]

Hi All,
Not been involved in this one but would just like to add my thoughts, First of all' the mod team here have been elected to do just that, moderate situations that are either offensive to other members,or just plain bad for the forum, in this situation the same old arguments were going round and round by certain individuals who were not interested in anything else but getting their own take on things accepted as fact, and therefore [in that particular thread]they had no regard for the forum' or the people on it, this unfortunately led to severe frustration amongst the people here who were trying to keep things on a fair and level playing field for anyone, and everyone involved, we [the mod team] are not perfect, and yes, things could have been handled slightly different, but the outcome would have been the same, and would have been supported 100% by all of us in the mod area.
Aos is the success it is for two main reasons, its members, and secondly by the way it is run and moderated.
Anthony,TD...

[losenotaminute]

Hi All,
Not been involved in this one but would just like to add my thoughts, First of all' the mod team here have been elected to do just that, moderate situations that are either offensive to other members,or just plain bad for the forum, in this situation the same old arguments were going round and round by certain individuals who were not interested in anything else but getting their own take on things accepted as fact, and therefore [in that particular thread]they had no regard for the forum' or the people on it, this unfortunately led to severe frustration amongst the people here who were trying to keep things on a fair and level playing field for anyone, and everyone involved, we [the mod team] are not perfect, and yes, things could have been handled slightly different, but the outcome would have been the same, and would have been supported 100% by all of us in the mod area.
Aos is the success it is for two main reasons, its members, and secondly by the way it is run and moderated.
Anthony,TD...

I also like the design

[Marco]

Thanks, Anthony.

The funniest thing though is that, as ex-editor of a newspaper, you'd think that Harry would have the ability to quote people properly (although perhaps misquoting people is more in demand in such a profession?)

Observe Harry's post here on Dunn's site (3rd down): http://hifisubjectivist.net/viewtopi...759&start=1300

...where he writes, I quote:

Regarding the moderator behaviour it wasn't just Alex although he was the worst of a bad bunch. The mods basically ganged up on me and the final straw for me was when Alex wrote this "shut it or WE'LL shut it for you".

...when what Alex actually wrote was this, see below:

http://theartofsound.net/forum/showp...2&postcount=55

Harry - I' am losing my patience with you now - now SHUT IT before we shut it for you!

I'm sure that you'll appreciate the difference! Now, if Harry can't even be trusted to quote what people have written in front of his nose properly, then what chance is there of him relating events accurately that happened on the phone, or indeed anywhere else??

No wonder he was sacked as a newspaper editor - probably for incompetence, as well as other well-docmented incidents!!!

Marco.

[anthonyTD]

I also like the design

[anthonyTD]

Thanks, Anthony.

The funniest thing though is that, as an ex-editor of a newspaper, you'd think that he'd be able to quote people properly (although perhaps misquoting people is more in demand in such a profession?)

Observe Harry's post here on Dunn's site (3rd down): http://hifisubjectivist.net/viewtopi...759&start=1300

...where he writes, I quote:



...when what Alex actually wrote was this, see below:

http://theartofsound.net/forum/showp...2&postcount=55



I'm sure that you'll appreciate the difference! Now, if Harry can't even be trusted to quote what people have written in front of his nose properly, then what chance is there of him relating events accurately that happened on the phone, or indeed anywhere else??

No wonder he was sacked as a newspaper editor!!!

Marco.

Unfortunately for them anyway, its the same couple of lunatics there [maybe thats all there is now] that always get involved where AOS is concerned, you have to take it as a compliment really, that they recognize this forum as so important that they have to spend most of their waking hours reading through every thread here looking for something to comment on, As for Harry, unfortunately for him, soon enough' once his usefulness as far as digging and poking AOS is concerned has lapsed, he will just be among a long line of discarded, and broken toys once owned by RD.
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