Are we seeking the first signs of a culture of un-greed in our industry?

**John** · 07-01-2009, 16:28

Here are a few worth considering also to the list
The SAC Power amp although reasonably expensive in performance terms this eaisly beats my Gamut D200 an half the price new
http://www.sacthailand.com/

The Terminator Just think in sound terms audio bargin To my ears this totally outperforms a SME5 and is nearly a fourth the price Not everyone design icon but in sonic terms pure magic
http://www.trans-fi.com/terminatortonearm.htm

Agree with Marco around the World Design gear the phono stage is a lovelly bit of kit
I think there are number of Passive design pre amps that perform at a very high level for not crazy money

**StanleyB** · 07-01-2009, 16:28

Whilst I have been actively promoting my TC-7510, I have kept my trap shut about my PCOFC digital coax cable or my glass fibre TOSLINK. Both are at bargain basement price when you compare their specs against anything similarly specified. But it isn't that I am not making a profit out of them. I am just aware of the mark up some/most/perhaps all of the 'high-end' leads have embedded in them.
But the greed is endemic in our industry. I was reading the comments made by someone on another site who complained about the fact that folks were switching to cheaper gear or buying 2nd hand. His livelihood depends on £20K speakers and £10K amps. Fine if you are loaded, but I know of one chap who bought a £10K CDP and then spent the next 6 months trying to off load it. Even at the last noticed price of £2,900 there were no takers.
This got me thinking. Maybe it as a badge thing for many of the audiophools. To be able to post a pic in a forum gallery showing all that expensive gear stacked on top of each other.
I had a few visitors round over the new year. One of them looked at my TT and asked why I still had it in my rack. He hadn't seen anyone play vinyl for more than a decade. Then he looked at my NS1000M and commented that Yamaha speakers were no good. I should get some KEf or B&W. I quickly realized this guy was being educated by what he read in hifi mags

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**Steve Toy** · 07-01-2009, 16:28

Howard, I think you are throwing the baby out with the bathwater on this and generally over-reacting. If you now choose to pull the offer that is your choice and I'll take no responsibility for you so doing. It is an excellent offer but the fact remains that it is limited to those who will only need one pair, not because they only have one source (those with two or more sources would still derive benefit) but because they run pre/power amps.

On a number of occasions I've tried mixing interconnects between the sounce/pre and pre/power and the result is usually deleterious. This is hardly a good way to evaluate a new product, now is it?

**Neil McCauley** · 07-01-2009, 16:31

My contribution to this thread is at an end. Thank you.,

**Steve Toy** · 07-01-2009, 16:35

Oh dear. [shrugs shoulders].

In this spirit of altruism is someone kindly going to donate one loudspeaker?

**Marco** · 07-01-2009, 16:36

Howard,

With respect, I think that you're overreacting, erm, 'somewhat' on this one. This is an excellent thread which must be explored in more detail. Your contributions would therefore be most valued.

Take a chill pill (or a coffee) and come back later

Marco.

**Marco** · 07-01-2009, 16:39

I was reading the comments made by someone on another site who complained about the fact that folks were switching to cheaper gear or buying 2nd hand. His livelihood depends on £20K speakers and £10K amps. Fine if you are loaded, but I know of one chap who bought a £10K CDP and then spent the next 6 months trying to off load it. Even at the last noticed price of £2,900 there were no takers.

Stan, please name names - who are you talking about? That guy's business is precisely what's wrong with much of the hi-fi industry and why the business model you describe is no longer working as it once did - hurrah, I say!

What you're doing with the Beresford DAC is much more representative of what genuine enthusiasts want and therefore liable to be a much more successful business model!

Marco.

**StanleyB** · 07-01-2009, 16:51

Originally Posted by Marco

Stan, please name names - who are you talking about? That guy's business is precisely what's wrong with much of the hi-fi industry and why the business model you describe is no longer working as it once did - hurrah, I say!

You have Crossed swords with him in the past

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**Marco** · 07-01-2009, 16:53

LOL. I think I know who you mean! But I'm surprised he's come out with that kind of stuff on a forum - which one was it?

Marco.

**StanleyB** · 07-01-2009, 17:04

Originally Posted by Marco

LOL. I think I know who you mean! But I'm surprised he's come out with that kind of stuff on a forum - which one was it?

Marco.

I'll PM you the link. Your old mate Andre started the thread as it happens...

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