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    Default Best suited phono stage for ZU 103?

    Just picked up an Esco-re-tipped (Paratrace stylus) ZU 103 cartridge. Will initially use it with my Whest stage, but wondered what experience people here have of other suitable phono stages for this revamped Denon beastie? It will sit in the Trio arm, not the SME V.
    Main System - T/T: Trio L-07D/Benz Glider; SME V/Ortofon Cadenza Blue; Audio Technica AT666EX vacuum disc stabiliser; Audio Technica AT636 Audio Insulator Feet. Phono: Whest PS30R. CDPs: Esoteric UX-1; Micromega Classic Solo. Amps: Exposure MCX Pre/4 x Exposure XVI Mono Power. Speakers: Jamo R909/Townshend Seismic Sink stands/Audiosmile Mk 2 Supertweeters. Headphones: Audio Technica ATH-W1000; G&W TW-J1 head amp.
    Second System - Digital: NVA TFS. Amps: NVA P90 Pre. Speakers: B&O Beolab 6000 Active.

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    Broadly speaking: SUT+Valves !

    This of course covers a LOT of options - the combination of a suitable SUT (100 Ohm load and 10-15X step up) and a valve based MM stage absolutely does it for me.

    Suggest you look at: Auditorium23, NOS Partridge, Bob´s Devices/Cinemag, Marthas SUT and similar for stepup. In the valve department Croft springs to mind but also EAR and lots of others are great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theo View Post
    Just picked up an Esco-re-tipped (Paratrace stylus) ZU 103 cartridge. Will initially use it with my Whest stage, but wondered what experience people here have of other suitable phono stages for this revamped Denon beastie? It will sit in the Trio arm, not the SME V.
    I would commend the Haufe T-7883 10:1 SUTs with 12kOhm resistors across the secondary windings.
    Barry

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    Hi Theo,

    Just picked up an Esco-re-tipped (Paratrace stylus) ZU 103 cartridge. Will initially use it with my Whest stage, but wondered what experience people here have of other suitable phono stages for this revamped Denon beastie? It will sit in the Trio arm, not the SME V.
    Like Mikkel and Barry, I'd thoroughly recommend using a quality step-up transformer, in conjunction with the MM section in your Whest phono stage, as it will bring out the magic in vinyl like very few standalone MC stages can do. An obvious candidate is the Hashimoto H7, as I've heard it with Martin T's PS-30R, and the combination is to die for - very good indeed!

    I guess it depends on how much you want to spend... Another candidate would be the Ortofon Verto, which has a low and normal impedance setting, and would thus suit both your 103 and Cadenza, in particular.

    Another option is to go the high-quality vintage route, as Denon made some very good (sadly now discontinued) SUTs specificially designed to match the DL-103 and their other 'desirable' MC cartridges. There are a few I could recommend, but the one which stands out most is the AU-S1:

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Denon-AU-S...item414c3fccea

    It's a superb sounding SUT, and no doubt would also work very well with your Cadenza (although, here I would expect the Verto to sneak ahead). Auditorium 23 SUTs are also superb with DL-103s, although less so with other cartridges, as they've been specifically voiced to match the Denon and SPU.

    The decision is yours, however if you haven't tried a quality SUT before with your Whest, then quite simply, you haven't heard your records properly yet!!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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    Obviously I completely forgot about the Whest and just babbled on

    Marco is right, using the MM stage of the Whest with the SUT is the way to go in this case. Only price will be the limiting factore going forward..

    I´m using the vintage apparoach with Partridge tranformers loaded down with a couple of resistors like Barry is suggesting - works fantastic.

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    Guys

    Thank you all for the advice Hadn't really considered SUTs in the past, but am looking at various options. The Auditorium A23 looks interesting...
    Main System - T/T: Trio L-07D/Benz Glider; SME V/Ortofon Cadenza Blue; Audio Technica AT666EX vacuum disc stabiliser; Audio Technica AT636 Audio Insulator Feet. Phono: Whest PS30R. CDPs: Esoteric UX-1; Micromega Classic Solo. Amps: Exposure MCX Pre/4 x Exposure XVI Mono Power. Speakers: Jamo R909/Townshend Seismic Sink stands/Audiosmile Mk 2 Supertweeters. Headphones: Audio Technica ATH-W1000; G&W TW-J1 head amp.
    Second System - Digital: NVA TFS. Amps: NVA P90 Pre. Speakers: B&O Beolab 6000 Active.

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    They're very good indeed, Theo (as I used them for years), and the UK distributor, The Sound Practice, are brilliant to deal with:

    http://thesoundpractice.com/index.html And for info on the A23 SUT: http://thesoundpractice.com/new-products.html#D103

    The main man there is James Almey (also of Tom Tom Audio). Thoroughly recommended! Just tell James that you know me

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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    I will do that
    Main System - T/T: Trio L-07D/Benz Glider; SME V/Ortofon Cadenza Blue; Audio Technica AT666EX vacuum disc stabiliser; Audio Technica AT636 Audio Insulator Feet. Phono: Whest PS30R. CDPs: Esoteric UX-1; Micromega Classic Solo. Amps: Exposure MCX Pre/4 x Exposure XVI Mono Power. Speakers: Jamo R909/Townshend Seismic Sink stands/Audiosmile Mk 2 Supertweeters. Headphones: Audio Technica ATH-W1000; G&W TW-J1 head amp.
    Second System - Digital: NVA TFS. Amps: NVA P90 Pre. Speakers: B&O Beolab 6000 Active.

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    Nice one, mate. Let us know how you get on!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


    Protect your HUMAN RIGHTS and REFUSE ANY *MANDATORY* VACCINE FOR COVID-19!

    Also **SAY NO** to unjust 'vaccine passports' or certificates, which are totally incompatible with a FREE society!!!


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    One of my carts is Zu 103 and have used few SUTs with it and good quality MM-phono with tubes. Would definitely start looking the Auditorium 23 if pricing is ok as know it works extremely well.

    The black horse for the race could be the Silvercore MC One To Ten, which have not been testing myself but have heard very good feedback of that one even when compared to A23.

    http://www.oswaldsmillaudio.com/Prod...ilvercore.html

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