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    Join Date: Dec 2008

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    I'm Pete.

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    Hi Folks,

    So here is my vinyl rig so far:

    Technics SL-1210 Mk5
    Kab psu
    Kab Strobe disabler
    Cardas rewired tonearm
    Zupreme headshell w/lp gear leads
    Mk5 gold cable with copper eichmanns
    Funkfirm 5mm Achromat
    sitting on a 2" thick myrtle wood base

    Denon DL-160 cart set up to Baerwald alignment

    DIY Nelson Pass Pearl Phono stage

    Grover UR8 rca ICs

    Denon AVR-3808Ci (currently acting as the premp)
    Adcom GRA-5400 Power Amp (borrowed)
    Odyssey Candela Tube Pre amp (Dec 31st)
    Odyssey Stratos + stereo amp (Dec 31st)

    Paradigm Reference 100 v.4 speakers

    So far the system sound very good to me. Probably take a leap once the Odyssey components arrive.

    What do you think I should do next as far as the turntable is concerned?

    Should I spike the TT into the myrtle block, or do isonoe feet?

    How much more can I get out of the stock arm?
    If I upgrade arms, there seem to be many choices, in no particular order:

    SME 309 ($1300) or M2-9 (??)
    Origin Live Silver Mk 2 ($650)
    Jelco SA-750D ($450)
    Reworked Rega 250 ($350)

    What arm would you recommend, and why?

    I see that one member makes custom weights for the stock arm.
    Is this a way to go forward with the stock arm.

    Or should I think about a cart upgrade before ditching the stock arm?

    Cheers,
    Pete
    Hearing is believing

    SL-1210 Mk5 w/Mike New Platter/bearing/armboard; Hynes SR5 DIY PSU;
    Zyx Airy3X; SME V; Hashimoto HM7 SUT; CJ PR15MkII Phono w/teflon caps.

    Modwright LS36.5 Dual Mono Preamp & KWA 150 amp > Paradigm Ref 100 v.4s

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    Join Date: Sep 2008

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    Hi Pete,
    how long have you had the deck in its' current form?
    just wondering if you've had time to fully appreciate all your improvements and therefore get the full benefits of your proposed upgrades
    fwiw - i think marco will tell you to get the jelco. your cardas should be pretty easy to shift if you like the new'un
    (you may hear about the 103 also)
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    Gareth.

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    Join Date: Dec 2008

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    I've had the deck probably for about six months is its current configuration.

    Only recent change, was putting in the Adcom amp vs. the Denon receiver's amp. Huge leap in sound quality. That spurred my to buy the Odyssey pre and stereo amps.

    I honestly like the sound right now.
    But as always, you don't know what you're missing till you hear it
    Hearing is believing

    SL-1210 Mk5 w/Mike New Platter/bearing/armboard; Hynes SR5 DIY PSU;
    Zyx Airy3X; SME V; Hashimoto HM7 SUT; CJ PR15MkII Phono w/teflon caps.

    Modwright LS36.5 Dual Mono Preamp & KWA 150 amp > Paradigm Ref 100 v.4s

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    Anyone have any comments? Marco?
    Hearing is believing

    SL-1210 Mk5 w/Mike New Platter/bearing/armboard; Hynes SR5 DIY PSU;
    Zyx Airy3X; SME V; Hashimoto HM7 SUT; CJ PR15MkII Phono w/teflon caps.

    Modwright LS36.5 Dual Mono Preamp & KWA 150 amp > Paradigm Ref 100 v.4s

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    Hi Pete,

    Sorry for the late reply but I've just noticed this - will come back to you tomorow in some detail when I have more time

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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    Remember hearing the Odyssey pre and power along with the Loriel speakers a few years back nice gear. Unable to comment around the 1210 but below is a good link
    http://www.sl-1200-mk2.com/
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    Dave has a special going in January for the SME 309 arm.

    I am tempted, but I would like to hear of any SME 300, IV or V owners who mounted them on a Technics SL, and their results.
    Hearing is believing

    SL-1210 Mk5 w/Mike New Platter/bearing/armboard; Hynes SR5 DIY PSU;
    Zyx Airy3X; SME V; Hashimoto HM7 SUT; CJ PR15MkII Phono w/teflon caps.

    Modwright LS36.5 Dual Mono Preamp & KWA 150 amp > Paradigm Ref 100 v.4s

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    Not heard what the SME does in a Technics, but an SME 309 or IV is what I intend/would like to fit to a Technics 1210 when I get round to selling some stuff and a few other things. I would rather have an SME 309 than any Rega or such.

    Aesthetically the 309 would look superb and is a great arm and probably going to give you 90% of the IV in that type of deck, the 1210 "may" hold back an IV slightly but who knows?

    Thing is though the SME Technics combo may sound a little sterile and clinical?

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    Join Date: Nov 2008

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    The SME 309 would be great at £799.00 in our Christmas sale http://www.soundhifi.com/SME/index.html

    Dave

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    Remember hearing the Odyssey pre and power along with the Loriel speakers a few years back nice gear. Unable to comment around the 1210
    I just put on sale both Odyssey Audio gears you were describing
    Very good SS preamp and amp .. and super fine phono section MM/MC too

    Speaking about the SL1200 .. I have had and still own a loved SL1210 for many years and I strongly suggest to set up the cartridge leaving the stock arm but using the MintLP Best Tractor.
    It changes totally the way to sound .. going from a good TT to a very super good TT
    I suggest to buy this tractor before to change its stock arm.

    http://www.mintlp.com
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