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    This article is about PS Audio Power Plants in particular and power regenerators in general.

    The first principle to make clear is that a regenerator is fundamentally different from a filter. Filters attempt to condition the mains waveform in order to clear it of noise and hash. They can do nothing to repair a distorted waveform. They also tend to introduce some worsening of impedance into the mains supply to the equipment, sapping its dynamics and slam to a degree.

    Balanced transformers are another idea, mainly introduced into a system to rid the mains of any residual DC which can impair the funtionality of component power supplies by isolating the output from the utility supply. They frequenty incorporate some filtering too.

    A regenerator uses reconstruction techniques to either fully construct a mains waveform from scratch, or actively repair it 'on the fly' in order to produce a perfect sinewave. In discussing regenerators we need to use examples from the PS Audio range over the years since they single-handedly introduced the concept of regeneration for hi-fi systems into the marketplace. This is as distinct from UPS battery backup systems for computers which usually generate a nasty dirty squarewave for powering the machine. Regenerators can also (but not all models) actively reduce the impedance powering the system as compared with the wall socket, enhancing system dynamics and potentially further lowering the noise floor.



    First Generation

    The first generation of devices, the P300, P600 and P1200, converted the incoming mains to DC by rectification and storage. They then used essentially a monster power amplifier to generate a pure 120VAC* waveform generated by a crystal clocking circuit and DAC to create the sinewave. A choice of output frequencies from 50 to 110Hz was selectable. They ran hot - very hot - due to their inefficient class AB design and they had limited power capability. In fact, only the giant P1200 had any chance of powering an entire system from clean mains and would have heated the room unbearably on summer days. The P300 could only supply source components and a preamp and you could almost cook eggs on the top plate after some hours of use.

    *European versions added a 120-220VAC step-up transformer to generate the output voltages required. Not ideal, and it added to their heat output and weight.

    Two mods came along during these products' lifetimes: a better DAC ROM board defining the waveforms more precisely, and Multiwave. This latter invention added small amounts of harmonics to the chosen output frequency, rounding their peaks and providing more charge to equipment power supplies during a complete cycle.



    The small P300 certainly demonstrated to many enthusiasts a cost effective way in which, at last, their source components and preamps could be driven from a pure, noise-free power supply. The benefits were clearly audible in a lowered noise floor, better dynamics and finely resolved soundstage. My experience with the P300, having tried all modes, was that the 60Hz Multiwave option provided the best drive and the best resultant sound quality.



    Second Generation

    The second generation product was the Power Plant Premier and it entailed a complete re-think of how to go about generating a pure mains waveform. Instead of generating the waveform from scratch, this clever device 'rode' the incoming mains waveform with a small, efficient, amplifier and repaired the waveform by adding or subtracting current, compared with the ideal sinewave, to provide a corrected output waveform. The objective was to achieve much higher efficiency, higher power output and cooler running. With either 1kW or 1.5kW output capability, depending on which specs you believed, it succeeded in being the first regenerator capable of comfortably and efficiently powering an entire system. Frequency selection was gone (since the mains waveform was reconstructed), but Multiwave was still selectable in order to increase the charge time into component power supplies per cycle.

    For the first time, the benefits of operating an entire system from regenerated mains, including the power amplifier, became clearly demonstrable. All the benefits of the P300 were manifested, only more so, with an especially low noise floor and black silences, as well as low output impedance and increased dynamic range.

    The PPP also introduced Cleanwave, whereby a special degaussing waveform could be generated for 5s or 60s in order to degauss all the equipment connected to it. It's certainly controversial, but in my experience it gives a useful further 'cleaning' function if used before every listening session.

    Unfortunately, PS Audio made the decision to move manufacturing of the PPP to China. It was not a happy move and reliability dramatically suffered with many reported failures of these later units. For the next generation, they decided to bring manufacturing back into the USA and suffer the necessarily higher factory costs that that would entail.



    Third Generation

    The third, and current, generation of regenerators build upon the excellent operating principles of the PPP with two models designed to provide 1kW and 1.2kW output respectively. The smaller P5 incorporates active (fan) cooling, while the larger P10 operates silently through passive cooling in the form of large heatsinks. The P10 also has twice the energy storage of the P5.

    The key improvement in these devices is the increased storage (magnetics in PS AUdio parlance) and ability to respond to instantaneous fluctuations in demand, leading to very low output impedance (one hundredth that of the PPP) and improved dynamic power. They are also designed to be more resilient, the P10 for European markets capable of handling up to 280VAC input swings.

    Finally, the P5 and P10 are more intelligent and use colour touch operating screens. They feature phased power-up of the components of a hi-fi system (e.g. the power amp can be fired up last), and can be connected to a network for remote control power up or power down over the internet and e-mailed power alerts.



    Regenerator Characteristics

    So what does a regenerator do for a system and why should you use one? The most obvious and most easily audible difference is the total lack of noise and interference. No mains-borne interference, no clicks and pops intruding into the music. Secondly is the apparent lowering of the noise floor when playing music, this by operating the components' power supplies without the distortion and overlaid DC that causes transformer vibration, intermodulation or other interference artifacts. Thirdly is the effect of rapid response to power demands and very low output impedance. This manifests as a level of dynamic swing and effortlessness that transforms a system from capable to outstanding and distinctly improves transparency and clarity. The sense of increased headroom, widened soundstage and purity of reproduction is very rewarding.

    In my view, a regenerator is as important, if not more so, as any of the components of a qood quality hi-fi system. I would go so far as to say that above a given price level a regenerator is an absolute must since any further expenditure will not give as good a return in sound quality for the cost. All users of regenerators that I have spoken to would never be without one again.
    Last edited by MartinT; 13-02-2012 at 00:02.

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    Highly interesting. I wonder what it would do for a valve amp...
    Would for instance the large power xfmr smooth the waveform instead??

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    Thanks, Jack. I've used my PPP with two valve amps (Rogers Cadet III and Leak Stereo 20) and I can say that they definitely benefit over being plugged into the raw mains. I'm not sure I understand what you mean by 'smooth the waveform', remember that regenerators are active devices and will preserve the waveform no matter the load (up to the maximum load). It doesn't matter whether it's a valve or transistor amp with a big power transformer; indeed even my Chord power amp with its switched mode PSU responds very well to being driven by the PPP despite the naysayers (who clearly haven't listened to this setup) suggesting that a SMPS cannot benefit from clean mains due to its chopping action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinT View Post
    I'm not sure I understand what you mean by 'smooth the waveform',
    Quite, within this context, the phrase "smooth the waveform" doesn't mean anything to me either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinT View Post
    In discussing regenerators we need to use examples from the PS Audio range over the years since they single-handedly introduced the concept of regeneration for hi-fi systems into the marketplace.

    I think Accuphase were the first to do this Martin (PS-500 1996)


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Grand Wazoo View Post
    I think Accuphase were the first to do this Martin
    Fantastic! I've never come across it, Chris. Do you know what year that was introduced as it doesn't seem to appear on the brochure? Interesting that their technique is a variation of the PPP's circuit by modifying the existing waveform with a difference amp.

    I'll modify my text if necessary but I'll stand by my statement that PS Audio really got the ball rolling with mass sales of regenerators.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinT View Post
    Do you know what year that was introduced as it doesn't seem to appear on the brochure?
    It was introduced in 1996 Martin - I did note this in my post but I guess you could've missed it as it was beside the model number.
    There was a bigger one too - the PS-1200 which was introduced the following year. These were superseded in 2000 by the 'V' versions PS-500V & PS-1200V & then came the PS-1210 in 2005


    Accuphase PS-1210

    I'll modify my text if necessary but I'll stand by my statement that PS Audio really got the ball rolling with mass sales of regenerators.
    I first heard about them when they first appeared but, as with a lot of Accuphase gear, they aren't exactly commonplace in the UK (patchy distribution & very high prices). You're correct in that PS Audio brought the technology to the attention of the US & UK market in a way that Accuphase never could.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinT View Post
    .... All users of regenerators that I have spoken to would never be without one again.
    Umm. Well. Hello!

    I had a PS Audio P300 regenerator when they first came out, the first of PSA's products of this ilk, as you state, Martin.

    They've sure as heck come a long way since then ... the P300 had distinct power limitations, ran bloody hot and had a noisy fan.

    But ... yes, it had a significant affect/effect on the sound and I heard no real down'sides, only positives. And in practice, it could drive rather more than its modest power rating implied, being able to handle small power amps as well.

    But I've not invested in subsequent generations of regenerators ... although occasionally I am tempted!
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    The P300 certainly gave a good chunk of what was to come and is great for source components. I would never have dared try a power amp, Jerry!

    If you've heard what they can do, and you're tempted, what's stopping you box shifter extraordinaire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinT View Post
    The P300 certainly gave a good chunk of what was to come and is great for source components. I would never have dared try a power amp, Jerry!
    Well, it could certainly handle a small integrated amp.

    Darn, I wish I could remember the name of the dealer who imported the PSA gear at first - guy from Senegal? One of those west African countries, I think ...

    Anyway, he came round to my place (then in Surrey) a few times with the P300 and various cables (Synergistic Research, iirc).
    I fondly recall a visit after I'd had the P300 a few months. My new pride and joys were a pair of Jadis JA80 valve monoblocks ...
    he goggled at the system for a few seconds, then got down on his hands and knees and traced the mains cabling ... yes, they really were running and sounding mighty fine from the P300!
    I was using them without the HT switched on - they sounded quite excellent into my ProAc Response 3 speakers.

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinT View Post
    If you've heard what they can do, and you're tempted, what's stopping you box shifter extraordinaire?
    Ah well here's where I get a little contentious. I disagree with one of your conclusions ...
    Quote Originally Posted by MartinT View Post
    I would go so far as to say that above a given price level a regenerator is an absolute must since any further expenditure will not give as good a return in sound quality for the cost.
    In my opinion, spending the £1k-£2k or so needed for a PPP elsewhere in the system on a better amp or source component, say, is a better way of spending a constrained budget where that is a typical max amount spent per component.
    With a less constrained budget, then sure, have it all!
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