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  1. #1
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    Default The Great Denon DL103 Debate...

    Good evening ladies and gentlemen!

    This strand has been started in honour of Marco, who is hellbent on exposing the sinister truth behind Hi-Fi World's ritual slating of the aforementioned moving coil pickup...

    So - I'll start the ball rolling. The reason I don't like it is that, ermm, I don't think it sounds very good!

    :-)

    Ermm... will this do?

    David

    ps - now Marco, you tell me what it is about it that you like?
    Last edited by David Price; 16-12-2008 at 18:48.

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    Oh please stop it.

    I will make a suggestion soon but first I have to say this: A while ago a member received some moderation for disagreeing (which is fine) and re-enforcing his view by making personal remarks and also saying that anyone who was not of like mind were not capable of making sound judgments (pun, haha,.... moving on).

    I hate to say it but a similar thing has been done again, although not as blatant personal remarks, as well as remarks regarding the capacity to make judgements were made.

    What I will be as bold to suggest is that if something is said anywhere, even if it a bit OTT, considered to be a bit rude, etc, etc we invite that person to explain what it is that they don't like about the item, forums, etc.

    This (for items) could be done as a mini review with some guidlines that steer away from anything that can be considered rude or personal.

    Possible outline could be:

    When was it heard
    Where
    What was it used with
    What music
    What was liked and why
    What was disliked and why

    Any technical points or facts that support the opinion which must also be backed up by references to test data, white papers, articles etc.

    I'm hoping that this would lead to constructive threads that stay well away from the personal side of things. To use a cliche or 2, 2 wrongs dont make a right and sometimes you just have to turn the other cheek. Retaliation just leads to Polarisation (that word again).
    ~Paul~

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    I think that pretty well sums up our ethos Paul!

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    I hate to say it but a similar thing has been done again, although not as blatant personal remarks, as well as remarks regarding the capacity to make judgements were made.
    Hi Paul,

    Can you expand on this please? I'm not really sure what you're referring to.

    David, very good! Perhaps you could just answer the post (and the questions, very clearly expressed, therein) I directed you to earlier?

    This one here (#160) just to make it easy for you: http://theartofsound.net/forum/showt...t=1538&page=16

    If you don't feel like doing it, then there really isn't any point taking this discussion further as I'm not going to repeat myself

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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    So in that case David (or Noel or any 103 detractor), would you be kind enough to state what it is about the 103 that you don't like using the admittedly rough outline above. Feel free to copy and paste any things from previous articles from the mag or where ever.

    Also Marco (or any other 103 fan) could you do the same and then we can take it from there, discussing any particular points in detail.

    (Biting and nipple pinching is not allowed, testicle pulling allowed with consent from the target).
    ~Paul~

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    I'm sure I saw the word "Grumpy", the hint that someone doesn't do the reviews because they can't and shouldn't.

    I know not really insulting but still not exactly healing words.
    ~Paul~

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    Paul, nice idea, but I don't see the point in repeating myself again. David knows the questions I'd like him to answer so it's up to him if he wishes to do so or not. If not, then I'm afraid this thread is dead in the water...

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


    Protect your HUMAN RIGHTS and REFUSE ANY *MANDATORY* VACCINE FOR COVID-19!

    Also **SAY NO** to unjust 'vaccine passports' or certificates, which are totally incompatible with a FREE society!!!


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    I'm sure I saw the word "Grumpy", the hint that someone doesn't do the reviews because they can't and shouldn't.

    I know not really insulting but still not exactly healing words.
    Yes, I think that I may have referred to Mr Keywood rather tongue-in-cheek as "Ol grumpy", after him referring to the 103 as "tat" - healing words indeed!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


    Protect your HUMAN RIGHTS and REFUSE ANY *MANDATORY* VACCINE FOR COVID-19!

    Also **SAY NO** to unjust 'vaccine passports' or certificates, which are totally incompatible with a FREE society!!!


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    In the March Heathrow show this year I demonstrated the Harbeth 40.1 monitors using an LFD linestage 3 and 2 mono LFD PA3 power amps. Primary signal source was the Funk sapphire, Arthur K modified Ittok and .. the cheapest 103D we could find. This went into the most musically engaging UK-built phono stage I know, the LFD MCT. The MCT is devoid of adjustment.

    Adam Smith of Hi-Fi World wrote that this entire Stereonow combo was the best sound at the show.

    Thank you ........ and goodnight.
    Well, hello.

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    What a sad state of events..


    Due to this I vow never to use a Denon 103 cartridge.

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