12 and proud

[stupinder]

I had a lp12 for a while recently -i'd always wanted one from being 14/15 in the 80s.
Lasted about 2 weeks and was soon replaced with a 1210 -bought off ebay (ive ranted on about my woes of this elsewhere so won't go into it again). I absolutely love it -mk 5 arm (shit i need to send a cheque to someone on the wam - sorry if you read this -i'll pm you) Dl110 and achromat.
Its rock solid, simple to use and does its job without complaining or needing constant attention! I used to have a couple for Djing and i know this deck is going to last forever.
Perhaps the next upgrade will be Daves Sorthobane feet and getting someone to build me a nice box for it as moneys too tight to mention for the seperate psu, rewire etc.

[MartinT]

The anti-Linn rants in here remind me that I feel exactly the same about Naim amps. Take a bog-standard manufacturer's application note, over hype the power supplies and sell to people who value in-your-face presentation with no subtlety, no detail, no stereo soundstage and few spatial cues. But perhaps this isn't the place...

My very favourite turntable, which doesn't get much mention these days, was the three-arm direct drive Micro Seiki (I forget the model). A friend had one with the Dynavector DV-505 arm and Karat Diamond cartridge. Now that deck sounded extremely good indeed.

[Marco]

The anti-Linn rants in here remind me that I feel exactly the same about Naim amps.

Oi, Martin, there are no anti-Linn rants here; merely equipment appraisals based on experience :-)

Take a bog-standard manufacturer's application note, over hype the power supplies and sell to people who value in-your-face presentation with no subtlety, no detail, no stereo soundstage and few spatial cues. But perhaps this isn't the place...

You're entitled to your opinion but I'm not sure I necessarily agree. I know where you're coming from, but I ran a CDS2/NAC52/Supercap/NAP135s system (with the Spendors I'm still using now) for nearly six years and if all it done was as you've described it would've been in the bin long before that

My very favourite turntable, which doesn't get much mention these days, was the three-arm direct drive Micro Seiki (I forget the model). A friend had one with the Dynavector DV-505 arm and Karat Diamond cartridge. Now that deck sounded extremely good indeed.

I've never heard that deck but I rate the DV tonearm highly, although perhaps less so the cartridge. You certainly get plenty of innovation and engineering prowess, though, with a 505!

Marco.

[chris@panteg]

Oi, Martin, there are no anti-Linn rants here; merely equipment appraisals based on experience :-)

You're entitled to your opinion but I'm not sure I necessarily agree. I know where you're coming from, but I ran a CDS2/NAC52/Supercap/NAP135s system (with the Spendors I'm still using now) for nearly six years and if all it done was as you've described it would've been in the bin long before that

Thats an interesting point Marco' whenever i hear a full naim active system with say DBL or SBL speakers ' i really don't care for it, but i once heard the CDS with a 72/hicap/250 through some heybrook's playing mahler's 5th and it was simply magnificent ,even my trusty Snell j11 sound good with naim amps so i am told but better still with AI 2nd audio and border patrol psu which is what used to have now sold alas.

[MartinT]

merely equipment appraisals based on experience

I quite agree and I was talking from experience too - never heard a Naim setup I've liked yet and I've heard many. They seem especially unable to set up a good demo room at hi-fi shows, although that problem is shared with many other vendors.

Getting back on-topic, how have you found the Jelco 750 arm so far? Have you formed an opinion in comparison with the Technics arm as to what it brings to the party?

[Peter Stockwell]

I feel exactly the same about Naim amps. Take a bog-standard manufacturer's application note, over hype the power supplies and sell to people who value in-your-face presentation with no subtlety, no detail, no stereo soundstage and few spatial cues. But perhaps this isn't the place...

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Funny that, isn't how I feel about mine, nor about the 1st Naim rig that got me excited, a CDX/XPS/82/HI/250 into shahanian speakers of some kind. It even made an LP12 sound good . But each to his own.

I will say I rarely want to listen to classical with the Naim system, whereas I did when I had a tube amp, so I guess it says something.

cheers

[chris@panteg]

Martin i have just fitted the dl160 and its sounds good so far compared to the 120e there is a lot less hum pick up ,early days yet but it sounds more refined

[MartinT]

Martin i have just fitted the dl160 and its sounds good so far

That's excellent news, Chris, I had the feeling the DL-160 was going to be a good purchase (plus many good reviews out there). I look forward to a shootout with the Grado Prestige Gold.

[Peter Stockwell]

I look forward to a shootout with the Grado Prestige Gold.

I used one of these for many years, I liked what it did. It's still on the Garrard, but the Garrard is "resting" at present. Curently enjoying a Shure V15 IV with JICO super analogue stylus. It's paired with the lttle Clearaudio nano phono stage, which still need to settle. Over the few hours that it played last night I heard the presentation become meatier and more relaxed. No loss of rhythmic pulse, tho'.

The nano is so small it tucks just under the SL1210!

cheers

[chris@panteg]

Had another listen this morning and although it needs some breaking in' it still sounds way better than the AT120e, but the thing that strikes me most is the lack of hum pick up' its a real problem with AT120e' therefore i would caution against its use on the 1200/10 even though it does sound good.