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  1. #181
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    Looking for opinions and guidance folks!

    I am now in the lucky position to own two Technics 1210 turntables with the upgraded Mike New extra bits.
    One deck has the bearing and the copper topped platter, and the other deck (RobbieGong's one) has the bearing, bearing base plate and the ETP platter. Both decks have the same upgraded Micro Seiki MA-202 tonearms on them.
    My question really is as the Mike New copper metal platter is heavier, do you think that would benefit more placed on the deck I purchased from Rob that has the baseplate also attached, as opposed to the deck with only the bearing attached?

    Maybe nothing really in it, but would appreciate the knowledge gained by you guys who have gone down the Mike New path long before me...

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    I don't know if there are any real differences you would notice. Only your ears will tell if its a worthwhile swap or not. And if you have Robs old turntable its already a winner.
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    I always was dubious about the base plate, so never went down that path. I had a metal platter but it widn't have the copper mat on top. I moved my platter on as overall I felt the Funk mk1 plater sounded better.

    I know back in the day there were some concerns expressed re the whole thing being too heavy and maybe effecting speed stability, and in time Mike went down the path of making platters from ETP. Was that done to address the weight issue or simply it being sound quality lead. I am sure if you go back to when all of this started there will be info in those threads discussions. Too much time has gone by for me to recall all the details.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tdlt02 View Post
    Looking for opinions and guidance folks!

    I am now in the lucky position to own two Technics 1210 turntables with the upgraded Mike New extra bits.
    One deck has the bearing and the copper topped platter, and the other deck (RobbieGong's one) has the bearing, bearing base plate and the ETP platter. Both decks have the same upgraded Micro Seiki MA-202 tonearms on them.
    My question really is as the Mike New copper metal platter is heavier, do you think that would benefit more placed on the deck I purchased from Rob that has the baseplate also attached, as opposed to the deck with only the bearing attached?

    Maybe nothing really in it, but would appreciate the knowledge gained by you guys who have gone down the Mike New path long before me...

    Regards
    Mark
    The baseplate was designed to give further stability to the bearing and is a known methods of stabilising a bearing. It will have no impact on the ability of the bearing to handle heavier platters. I have tried both ETP and the Cu topped platters with the baseplate and noticed very little (if any) difference.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dubster68 View Post
    I don't know if there are any real differences you would notice. Only your ears will tell if its a worthwhile swap or not. And if you have Robs old turntable its already a winner.
    The ETP was marginally better (to my ears) than the Cu topped platter but i just could not justify the extra cost at the time for ETP at the time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral Morn View Post
    I always was dubious about the base plate, so never went down that path. I had a metal platter but it widn't have the copper mat on top. I moved my platter on as overall I felt the Funk mk1 plater sounded better.

    I know back in the day there were some concerns expressed re the whole thing being too heavy and maybe effecting speed stability, and in time Mike went down the path of making platters from ETP. Was that done to address the weight issue or simply it being sound quality lead. I am sure if you go back to when all of this started there will be info in those threads discussions. Too much time has gone by for me to recall all the details.
    The Cu platter DID not effect speed stability and many thought the funk replacement platter a poor and cheap substitute for Mike's work. The standard technics motor and Mike's bearing (without) the collar can easily spin very heavy platters and to perfect stability within Technics specs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by REXTON View Post
    The baseplate was designed to give further stability to the bearing and is a known methods of stabilising a bearing. It will have no impact on the ability of the bearing to handle heavier platters. I have tried both ETP and the Cu topped platters with the baseplate and noticed very little (if any) difference.



    The ETP was marginally better (to my ears) than the Cu topped platter but i just could not justify the extra cost at the time for ETP at the time.



    The Cu platter DID not effect speed stability and many thought the funk replacement platter a poor and cheap substitute for Mike's work. The standard technics motor and Mike's bearing (without) the collar can easily spin very heavy platters and to perfect stability within Technics specs.
    At the time a number of industry people, including if I recall correctly some one who had exprience working for Technics felt the platter, metal platter with copper mat was too heavy. It was not proved one way or the other.

    The first Funk platter was/is very good, more people expressed issues with the ETP later on in the day, despite a few moving from Funk to ETP. Anyway all of this is in the relevant threads if Mark wants to go and look.
    Regards Neil

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    Helpful information guys, much appreciated. 😄

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