Denon 103 Pro and his step up

[Mike]

You take on more staff, move to bigger premises, or do whatever you have to do to guarantee an efficient service. If you're getting enough business (which by all accounts ESco are) then you should be able to afford the cost of higher overheads - even if you have to increase your prices slightly most customers would rather that than having to wait months for their goods!

Well...

No!.... In this sort of business I would maintain that you do NOTHING that may compromise quality.

We ain't talking about quantity here... sorry matey.

I would much rather wait for a high quality product than have some 'mass produced' tat sent out in no time...

[Marco]

Yes of course I agree, but you can have both by putting into place whatever is necessary to do things right in the first place... I.E, employ more staff with the necessary skills to maintain product quality and move to bigger premises! It's not rocket science

Marco.

[Mike]

Yes of course I agree, but you can have both by putting into place whatever is necessary to do things right in the first place... I.E, employ more staff with the necessary skills and move to bigger premises! It's not rocket science

Marco.

Ah, but that's the crux of the matter...

This sort of stuff is nothing less than an art...

You don't find folk like that at the local job centre!

Seriously though... where the hell do you find these sort of craftsman skills?... Think of the likes of Koetsu etc! we're talking about a very rare skill-set here boyo!

[Marco]

As usual, matey, seek and ye shall find! There are enough companies around making cartridges so there must also be enough people around who know how to re-tip them!

You can also train people, too, you know... How do you think the ones who are doing the job now learned?

The bottom line is ESco are not offering an efficient service and IMO that's not acceptable.

Marco.

[Mike]

As usual, matey, seek and ye shall find! There are enough companies around making cartridges so there must also be enough people around who know how to re-tip them!

The bottom line is ESco are not offering an efficient service and IMO that's not acceptable.

Marco.

Bullshit!!!!

Sorry bud... try looking!

Go-on... give us all a list

[Marco]

Well we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one, mate. I'm not in the business so how would I know where to find the right people? But ESco are, so they should! The bottom line is there's NO WAY I would EVER wait months to get my cartridge back from re-tipping! F*ck that for a game of soldiers!

Marco.

[Mike]

You can also train people, too, you know... How do you think the ones who are doing the job now learned?

Picture this....

You are are company who provides a service, say, plumber, sparky, joiner, picture framer, telecoms installer... etc..

You train them for a couple of years and they think 'I can do this on my own' and do so... what is the impact on your business?... not that much I'd guess.

You are a very rare and specialised company, of which there are only two or three in the country who provides this service and you spend a couple of years training them and they think 'I can do this on my own'!... and you lose 30-50% of your business!

Errr....

[Marco]

Not necessarily, mate. I'm afraid that's a rather simplistic, narrow-minded view. Not everyone wants to run their own business and take on the risks that go with it. Some people are quite happy to work for others and be paid a regular wage. There will always be 'do-ers' and 'followers' on this Earth and that principle applies to people who re-tip cartridges the same as in any other business...

Like I said before the fact is, ESco *could*do something about it if they wanted to, but have deliberately chosen not to. Good luck to you (and others) if you have the patience to wait so long to get your cartridges back. Anyway, as I said, I'm not into re-tips for reasons specified, so thank goodness I'll never have to use their services!

Fingers crossed though that Scoobs gets a good result with his

Marco.

[Mike]

Okey Dokey...

I hope you don't want to wait more than a few minutes for your Slatedeck!


Quality comes at a price.... sometimes the price is 'time'!

[SPS]

Hi Steve,



Like this? http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...3-04-06238.jpg

They're excellent old things and have soul, emotion, and realistic 'tone' in spades, similar to the DL-103 and SPU - exactly what is missing with about 95% of modern cartridges. Any true vinyl aficionado should do themselves a favour and hear one with a suitable turntable and tonearm. For a similar thing try a Shure SC35C, which is the modern equivalent (the body is unfortunately plastic but the generator and stylus assembly, though detachable, are similar):

http://www.bswusa.com//product_popup...shur_sc35c.jpg

It's touted these days as a 'DJ/scratch cartridge', but mounted on the right turntable and arm, it can sound truly magical (it also has bass to die for) - and it's cheap as chips, as with the DL-103 for very similar reasons (economies of scale).



Lyras are clinical, frigid, things in comparison. Jonathan Carr seems like a lovely chap, but I hate the way he voices his cartridges!!



For an elegant solution, since you've got a detachable headshell arm, use one of these - 18g mass and with almost zero resonant properties:

http://www.audiocubes2.com/brand/Aud...ead_Shell.html

But the cost might be an anathema for your D.I.Y sensibilities

Marco.

Thats the one Marco, the very same

The headshell has a coin blu-tacked on.. working a treat.. if i keep the cartrige on full time i may invest in one of those 15gram headshells..

its funny, i quite liked the lyra but i supose i've also changed my veiw of what I like since then.. I will go back to the keski in a week or so.. and see how it sounds.. it does detail in spades.. but i am now playing records.. something I'd stopped doing.. and really enjoying the music.

I may bring it to owston ..

steve