Mains cables-myth or fact?

[idc]

It's because whether you care to admit it or not, Ian, what you're really trying to do is change the minds of the 'opposition', but dress it up as something slightly more palatable.

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Well, I don't admit it as from the start the question has always been why, with me showing an open mind as to the cause being the cable, even posting evidence as to how that could be the case. If you guys can't even treat a why question without treating it as an attack, then as I said, I'll leave it.

From a private message to me (the cable musings and this thread have been running in tandem)

"As an aside - I have noticed the 'hard time' you have been given in the 'Cable musings' thread. In fact the attitude displayed by some of the participants have been rude, arrogant, patronising and expressed with ill manners, that whilst not in breach of forum rules, certainly are not in line with its Ethos."

Sorry again, faced with the above, I lost my rag.

PS - you'll find me in the library if you need me.

[Marco]

Mmm... I think I know who the author of that PM was. I recognise the writing style...!!

Of course I completely disagree with the contents of the PM, because if what has been outlined had genuinely happened, I'd have stepped in and done something about it.

Up until you started with the "bollocks" comment, and the 'shouting', it had simply been a robust exchange of views between adults - nothing more. No breach of our ethos had occurred.

I think that some folks (such as the author of that PM) perhaps need to thicken their skins a little...! Anyway, we'll leave that one there for now.

Well, I don't admit it.....

Indeed - because the trouble is, you don't realise that you're doing it....

Anyway, my view of the situation is exactly what I explained to you last night (in reference to my old teachers), if you remember that, which you appeared to take in good spirit.

Anyway, I don't want to fall out with you, Ian, so let's just agree to disagree and move on to other subjects, as this one has been done to death and is going nowhere constructive.

See you on the other threads!

Marco.

[Covenant]

After a couple of weeks use, I must say I am very pleased with my mains cable and think it was a good investment; I started the thread being very dubious so it does show that your opinion can be altered by experience.
Folowing on from that, I would be interested to hear if anyone has changed their power sockets for an upmarket silver plated or rhodium plated one and if it was worth it.

[Dr Bunsen Honeydew]

Well, I don't admit it as from the start the question has always been why, with me showing an open mind as to the cause being the cable, even posting evidence as to how that could be the case. If you guys can't even treat a why question without treating it as an attack, then as I said, I'll leave it.

From a private message to me (the cable musings and this thread have been running in tandem)

"As an aside - I have noticed the 'hard time' you have been given in the 'Cable musings' thread. In fact the attitude displayed by some of the participants have been rude, arrogant, patronising and expressed with ill manners, that whilst not in breach of forum rules, certainly are not in line with its Ethos."

Sorry again, faced with the above, I lost my rag.

PS - you'll find me in the library if you need me.

Once again this is just arse about face. We were here with our consensus of mildly sceptics - believers - and couldn't bloody care lessers. It is you who came lecturing and hectoring us, we didn't search you out to come here and try to convert us from our fairly wide consensus. This is a form of conflict and bad social behaviour - and that is an accusation from one of the most accused wind up merchants on the web!

One of the most important parts of discussion is that it is a two way process, so it is incumbent on you to listen as well as spout as that just makes it hectoring and lecturing as I referred to it earlier.

For me it is classic troll behaviour that I have seen many many times on forums. PLUS you are a serial troll from your own admission you have tried this on other forums until they have given you the order of the boot, so you haven't learnt anything by this, have you? It is just banging your head on the door, and to what purpose, do you enjoy it, do we enjoy you doing it, is it likely we will even continue to listen to you. I would love you to come up with a new argument that may counter our reality, but you can't as it is our reality and no amount of intellectual argument can deny someone else's musical emotional reality.

EDIT - I tell you what go and join Audio Chews they will love to have another objectivist troll as they are being hectored at the moment by two of the finest, so join in there you will be in good company.

[Effem]

Guys, sorry but I am going to have to scream this out to try and make it clear

THERE ARE DIFFERENCES IN SOUND BETWEEN CABLES.

I HAVE HEARD THOSE DIFFERENCES MYSELF.

That obviously has satisfied the subjective aspect of the matter, so why do you need any more than that?

I THINK THAT THE CABLE MAKERS ARE VERY GUILTY OF PSUEDOSCIENCE IN TRYING TO EXPLAIN WHERE THE DIFFERENCES COME FROM.

Cable makers have some stark choices to make (I alluded to the way cable makers operate, but you ignored that the same as all my other posts) and IN THE ABSENCE OF OBJECTIVE SCIENTIFIC DATA, they have to promote the benefits of cables in a way that stimulates their purchase. I said it wasn't RFI and the rejection thereof, but as a cable maker it isn't a convincing enough argument to front your sales pitch with "They sound lovely, but we cannot say why". Why do you THINK they all resort to psuedo-science? It is not I can assure you to hoodwink and lie, they do it to compete with each other and one being econmical with the truth started a domino effect through all the others, so don't go flattering yourself that you play any part at all in that scenario.

THE REAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US IS THAT YOU SAY THE DIFFERENCE IS CAUSED BY THE CABLE AND I SAY THAT IT UNLIKELY.[/SIZE][/B]

Yes you have been banging on about it and to be honest I still say you are way off track - read the post I wrote before your shouting match. READ IT!!

Now please answer my question. Are you closed minded to the potential the sound difference with your cables is down to you and not the cable?

You are starting to sound like a stylus locked in a groove, so as they say on Dragon's Den, "I'm out"

[Marco]

Ok, guys, I've had enough of this. It should be said, however, that I am in full agreement with the sentiments expressed in Richard's and Frank's last posts above - spot on, guys!

This is it in a nutshell, Ian:

It is you who came lecturing and hectoring us, we didn't search you out to come here and try to convert us from our fairly wide consensus.

You must learn to respect that.

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Marco.