Marco's latest vintage marvel....

[DSJR]

Wasn't the ADC 26 very expensive for its time? I seem to remember it being the priciest in one of the early Hi-Fi Choice books.

It was very "Top End" at the time, this and the Empire 1000ZE/X costing far more than the Shure V15 II or III I remember, although by the time of the V15 III, the ADC XLM and Empire 2000Z series' had all but replaced them IIRC.

[DSJR]

What is/was the "free field" principle?

I think the "Free Field" term eventually became known as "Induced Magnet." Instead of a (then) comparatively heavy permanent magnet being hauled around by the stylus/cantilever behind the hinge point, the little tube behind the cantilever was a "magnetisable material," a magnet being mounted in the cartidge body above - in these Goldrings and ADC's at any rate. IIRC, current Ortofon "MM" types are also induced magnet, but the magnet is a tiny ring around the cantilever at the hinge point - I think.....


Currently getting re-acquainted with a Grado F1+ from the late 70's. Big, ballsy, good tracking and not over-refined like I remember the current Gold being, it's great and loves the massive Lab 80 tonearm

[chelsea]

Have a g800 now up and running.
Got the body off a deck from a car boot a few years ago and the stylus was mangled.

Just got a replacement stylus and have to say it sounds very good.
Bass is tight and well defined and detail is all there.

Other carts i have been using are ortofon mc range 10 and 15 and shure m75.
The ortofon are more upfront and have a cd quality about them.
I don't really want my tt to have cd quality as it seems a bit pointles so it's nice to try these old carts from the 70s/80s that can be had for next to nothing.

For a tenner it's an absolute bargain.
Well worth hunting one down.

[Canetoad]

Hi Dave,



Ah, thanks for the info. It's what I suspected, and rather proves my point that the Goldring *is* a quality cartridge, if the 800E and Super E were so highly regarded in their day.

It's the generator which is at the 'business end' of how a cartridge intrinsically sounds. The stylus type simply alters the final presentation, therefore which one is 'superior' will depend on how one prefers music reproduced, vis-à-vis the sonic signatures of conical vs. elliptical styli.

Me? I'll happily trade a (little) fine detail retrieval and treble extension for the 'boogie factor' and natural tonality of a nice conical tip.



Ok, that's interesting. You can solve something for me then: First of all, this is the stylus I'm using:

http://www.stylusplus.co.uk/stylus-f...dge-7231-p.asp

Observe where it says:



So, at 2.7g, I'm still well within the recommended range. However, it isn't an original G800 stylus, although it is a conical type

Now, going back to the G800H you mentioned, have a look here, and scroll down about a quarter of the way to where the D-110H and D-110E styli are shown:

http://www.adelcom.net/GoldringStylus1.htm

Could those be used with my G800 cartridge?




Interesting! I'll have a look at that. Meanwhile your answer to the above question would be useful - churz

Marco.

I have attached the instruction sheet I received with my G800 cartridge for anybody who has one. It states that the tracking force is between 1.5 and 3 grams for the original cartridge stylus.

[bogle111]

Wasn't the ADC 26 very expensive for its time? I seem to remember it being the priciest in one of the early Hi-Fi Choice books.

The ADC 25 was the most expensive in their line-up. Came with two styli as well (conical & elliptical). Only ever sold 2 - were about £90 each. The 26 was a third cheaper. You could have bought 3 decca Blues then for that, and got change. B&O as well as ADC, Grado, Pickering, Empire and especially Ortofon were considered the better carts. then rather than Goldring800 E variants.

I know I shall probably get caned for this, but the G800 came with just about every SP25 sold in some quarters, until Shure caught on and did the 75-6 and 75EJ. The 800E wasn't so good a cart. and many considered the Super E too much for what it was. I still consider my G800 to be a millstone, or should I say milestone.

[spendorman]

I remember the G800 and G800H being sold, what is the difference?

In the loft is a Garrard SP25 with a G800, or possibly G800H

[Rare Bird]

I remember the G800 and G800H being sold, what is the difference?

'H' is the High output version

[spendorman]

'H' is the High output version

Thanks, now I remember!!

Are they marked H?

[Rare Bird]

More than likley a 'H' if it's on your 'SP25'..Whats colours the Styli?

[spendorman]

More than likley a 'H' if it's on your 'SP25'..Whats colours the Styli?

Not sure, it's in the loft, must have been there 30+years. Next time up there, will look. Think there may be two more SP25 up there as well.