The SP10 is no doubt a very good machine but no more than the best Denons. They were used more for broadcasting because they were built before the Denons and JVC's and the broadcasters used them for this very reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by farflungstar
That's quite interesting, Paul. Do you think that the DP80 is Denon's top TT? Is it possible to further improve it and if yes, how?Quote:
Originally Posted by paulf-2007
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Panos
I wouldn't worry too much about the Denon DP45F, yes it's a phase lock loop DD, so it has perfect speed stability, but the one I had suffered rumble and later timing issues with the arm, sell it for as much as you can get and buy what you want. It's probably worth more if you don't change it.
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well the DP100 was the flag ship as far as I know but rarely seen outside Japan so no experience of that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by pankon
There is a thread on diy audio, something like " monsterizing a DP80, the guy totally rebuilt it in an aluminum and stainless plinth with the electrics put in a separate box. Beautiful looking tt but only his word on how good it is and how much better than before, no idea.
Anyhoo, this thread is about idlers and I've only had good experiences with all the ones I've owned.
been enjoying this. keep it up
Ive never heard any rumble from my Garrard 401 ?
Alan
Russell,Quote:
Originally Posted by alphaGT
thanks for your advice, which I am taking seriously. I still wonder, though, whether it would be possible to mod the DP45F, in order to remove/improve its deficiencies, e.g. the rumble that you mentioned. Any ideas?
I think that a lot of the time the reason we decide we prefer a particular turntable over another is because we are responding to the overall aesthetic of the chosen unit. By "aesthetic" I mean not just its looks, but the whole identity it projects: cool and space-agey, restrained and minimalist, slightly old-fashioned and nerdy etc, etc. Plus that usually comes with all sorts of differences in the appearance and feel of the controls and user interface (sorry, couldn't think of a better way of describing it). So, does it appeal to you to start your records playing by spinning the platter up from standstill by hand, or do you like a procedure more akin to starting a Sopwith Camel (energise booster coils, wave arm in air, chocks away etc). All these things feed strong signals back to the user which please the senses (or not), flatter our feeling of discernment and achievement and re-inforce our sense of personal identity (audio-wise, at least). That's why we tend to band together into "camps" that sing the extravagant praises of one piece of kit or another - we are really singing about ourselves!
Whether the respective turntables actually sound much different is another matter - they just turn a piece of vinyl round and round after all. OK yes, obviously there is a difference, but I think it is pretty small and probably no longer noticed after the first week of ownership. We're probably much more preoccupied with the notion that "Ooh, I'm listening to MY Platine Verdier" or "How cool is my heavily-modded Lenco" or whatever. Let me stress - there is nothing wrong with that, nothing at all. That's human nature and it's nice to be able to get pleasure from all that stuff. But I'm just saying, there is a lot more going-on in our heads when we use our hi-fi.s than just listening to music. Take a good example of any of these different sub-types of turntable and, depending on the record you are playing, you are going to enjoy it - lots. Put another way, for the turntable to be actually diminishing your enjoyment of the music, it would pretty much need to be in such poor condition it is in need of repair, or so badly designed in the first place that it should never have reached the market.
Sorry, long and rambling post, but the message is this: we all think we are chasing after sound quality, but in reality we are not. We are looking for an overall "music-related experience" that chimes with our sense of what we like and who we are.
IB