I've heard about this upcoming DAC and was directed to this forum. hey'all
1 question. Will it accept USB?
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I've heard about this upcoming DAC and was directed to this forum. hey'all
1 question. Will it accept USB?
Yes.
Stan
Welcome to AOS. Glad you found us!
How is the beta testing coming along Stan?
Beta testing is long completed. We are in the final stretch:eyebrows:.
You have to admit Stan, we have all been very good not pestering you.
Are you now in a position to reveal final details and when we can order/price etc?:please:
Soon.... Just keep £200 handy, but I promise to return any change left... My aim is £175 delivered to anywhere on the planet.
Stan
Their an impatient lot Stan;)
Hope your going to show us some pics, us sad B******s get off with nice pics:eyebrows:
just got my mac connected to the itube 182 sounds good! but a bit sibilant!? after talking to stan on the phone a few days ago (a very approachable guy!) i was convinced to get the DAC. should i wait for the new one? or get the old guy?? BTW the sibilance is dissapearing with time.... forgot about valve warm up!!
What I can say is that if you got an outstanding preamp or intend to drive a power amp directly from the DAC, then the new one would be the ideal candidate. If you need USB performance, or a headphone amp that can match an equivalent £200 headphone amp in its own right, then again the new unit would be up your street. But if none of the above applies to you, then the TC-7510 is more than adequate.
The biggest problem I found was that many preamps are inferior sounding as a preamp when compared to the new DAC. So running the DAC through a half decent preamp is not going to offer you much improvements. It is hard to explain properly, without physically trying out what I just described. It's one of those things that makes people say it is impossible, until you hear it for yourself.
I'd like to think my Naim 282 is up to the task ?
Thanks. So by the replies, I guess this is the forum where the DAC maker resides :lolsign:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beechwoods
What I personally need a USB DAC for is to output music from my laptop to an active subwoofer through to a pair of active studio monitors via RCA. The headphone amp which is mentioned would be a bonus point for usage with my custom IEM as the 3.5mm jack on laptop is full of electrical noise.
So when is it going to be out? IMO anyway this 7510+ will be against the CA Dacmagic and MF V-Dac in the price range <£200.
Subwoofer's in a box on floor, speakers coming very soon, need to decide on a DAC! So I am kinda impatient :gig: (<- very cool smiley)
I don't compete on price. The DM and MF are sold through distributors and retailers. I sell direct. If DM or MF sold their DACs direct, mine would be more expensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by theone999
But add to that the fact that there is no other DAC below £500 that can accept 4 inputs and allow you to switch between those 4 inputs at the touch of a button. Plus mine is the only UK DAC below £500 that has a headphone amp and two analogue outputs.
Stan
Thanks for the info but I didn't mean to offend :confused:. The £200 figure is basically my personal budget set aside for a DAC after buying everything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sensimilia
I definitely have an interest in the upcoming DAC, so any light on how soon is "soon?
Offended? Moi? Not at all. I am sure many potential buyers also harbour those thoughts.Quote:
Originally Posted by theone999
I am hoping that I can have the first batch available towards the end of January. Waiting for the product to complete certification for RoHS and CE.
Stan
Shout as soon as you have one available Stan, I'll take one off your hands and run it along side my Apogee. :)
Cool Stan, I look forward to the end of this month.
A point of clarification when you said "a headphone amp and two analogue outputs." & the "what hi-fi" review of your current 7510
1) Does 2 analogue outputs mean 2 x L/R via RCA
2) I.e. 4 channels running simultaneously?
If I understood that correctly, it means you can output to both 2 x active mains and 1 active subwoofer from DAC without the sub in question having RCA out function. (exciting because it would mean I can change my subwoofer)
3) On the what-hi review, it basically said that there was a volume knob which controls the headphone socket as well as the analogue outputs. Would this be kept on the 7510+?
If I understood that correctly, it means you don't need to control volume exclusively by mouse on the pc or adding a passive volume attenuator/preamp into the chain? (exciting because it's simple and economical)
1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes
But only the variable output can be adjusted with the volume control..
Good answer Stan!
sounds great stan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sensimilia
What does "variable output" mean in this context? Sorry if it sounds silly, but I've never had a DAC before and catching up on some terminology.
volume controlled. i.e. it goes from zero output to full blast.Quote:
Originally Posted by theone999
Are all the outputs 'variable output' your comment suggests that some are and some aren't. Or am I thinking too much :)Quote:
But only the variable output can be adjusted with the volume control..
The dac has two outputs, one is fixed (and bypasses the volume control), and the other is variable (signal goes through the "preamp" - volume control - section).Quote:
Originally Posted by theone999
Ahh. I figured so. An excellent idea I might add :)
The idea is that you can use the fixed output if you just need the DAC function, or use the variable output if you want to use the DAC as a digital preamp. The last option is a lot more exciting in terms of musical enjoyment. It is so detailed, you can tell differences between several similar instruments in multi layered tracks. Imagine being able to count the number of violins in an orchestra. But then again, the ADC's sumptuous 3D soundstage would give it away as well anyhow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beechwoods
I have been a bit under the weather and overworked since last week, but hopefully I am well enough very soon. Then I can pass by John's place and let him confirm my findings.
Stan
DAC flu?
Nope. I am an asthma sufferer, and this kind of weather tends to take its toll on my lungs.
That feature has enabled me to completely remove a pre-amp from my set-up, I just use the variable output on the DAC and feed directly to the power amp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beechwoods
Stan, is it ready yet?! :)
Still brewing...
Itching itching! :)
Speaking of which : There is NO DAC (that I know of) that allows you to switch between inputs with an IR remote controler, and that's what prevents me from using a DAC, as my girlfriend and I tend to switch between sources quite often.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sensimilia
So... would an IR enabled 7510 be a possibility in the future ? That would definitely make a difference with other DACs
Hi BSJ,
Welcome to AOS :)
What's you first name and approximate location? We would request that you pop into the 'Welcome' room and introduce yourself and your system to our other members (some system pics would be good too, if you can, to put in our Gallery), adding your first name to your signature, before getting stuck into the main areas of the forum.
Cheers!
Marco.
Fair comment Marco. I shall refrain from posting an answer until we know a bit more about our latest member:).
Haha, and I thought I'd be able to sneak in like that :D
Hehehehe... ;)
Thanks, Nico, for complying with my simple request. You would be amazed at how many people choose not to take part in this simple process when joining. We feel that it's polite and makes for a friendler atmosphere, something we pride ourselves on here at AOS :)
Marco.
I am experimenting with a DAC circuit for release towards Christmas this year. The interesting features so far are 24/192, auto input detection, and auto standby & wake up.
Remote too?
Nope, which is quite a surprise. If you ever owned or saw a replacement or universal remote control in the 90's or early part of this century with the name Philex on it, then you'll know now that I designed them.
The auto switching will sort out the need for any remote control to change inputs. Unfortunately remote controlled volume pots are rather expensive, and adjusting the volume level digitally affects the playback quality.
Sounds just great !
The auto switching feature is even better than a remote IMO, I'll wait a little longer before getting a DAC then (it's better for my wallet anyway).
That's what I like about your designs Stan, you put performance well ahead of convenience. I'm looking forward to sampling your forthcoming DAC - but you probably knew that already. :)
This new DAC sounds as thought it could be interesting .... I have also changed my signature Marco :), Paul.
I concur with that comment Stan, I am also a Asthma sufferer, although mildly thankfully and this cold weather has been causing me issues recently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sensimilia
I guess I should now post a late introduction to myself as well lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
And looking forward to the 7510+ later this month. I told a friend about this and he said he could be interested, but he pointed out there's been a lot of revisions to the 7510.
So what's been the general modus operandi, can pl send back the units to be upgraded to the latest rev?
The 7510+ is a different unit and for a different market sector. I am mainly aiming it at the PC users who are limited to just a USB output from their PC, but would like to get the best from their music on their computer. And that includes a headphone output that can do justice to even a set of expensive headphones.
The other potential set of users are those who got a better than decent system and would be able to get that extra bit of detail to come across. Otherwise the TC-7510 is more than good enough to satisfy your needs. On my 'general' system that includes a set of B&W 603 S2 I can't hear enough of a difference to justify using the 7510+ on there. But on my reference system that includes the NS1000M it is an all together different story.
But I am not just writing that to get sales or discourage anyone. There are a few other persons on AoS with more than one audio system set up and who have tested both the DACs side by side and noticed the same results.
Each mod I have come up with has its own band of followers, so it isn't a 'must' to get the latest mod fitted. If you are happy with the sound of the one you got then stick to it. If you can wield a soldering iron, then a few threads list the location of the pdf file on my site where you can download the mod and implement it yourself. You can used the money saved that way to buy some even better components than the ones I use.
Stan
Your answer reminds me of something Stan, the 7510+ would accept optical in also right? I just kind of assumed optical would be pretty much standard on all DACs with some models having the USB feature.
Also since you've been kind enough to answer the various queries I have made about the 7510+, why you dont' just spill the whole box o beans by listing the full specs?!? cos you know, sometimes later I'll feel the need to know a little bit more, like sampling rates and if they're selectable etc :lolsign: (and how about some pics?)
If you know the TC-7510 specs, then just imagine the 7510+ with one USB input extra and one TOSLINK input less.
Images are not yet available for public viewing, but out of interest and in order to give credit to AoS: the artwork layout for the back and front was designed and amended by numerous members on AoS. I reckon that's a first for any commercial product that part of its looks was decided by a forum.
Stan
So it doesn't do XLR out then?
I dont' need the feature now, but if I was to change my setup that might be needed.
No XLR. If you it in the future I shall develop an XLR version if there are other folks out there who have a need for XLR as well. I don't wand to add a £50+ output facility that is not of any value to 95% of the intended buyers market. I am after the 'More Bangs for your Bucks' market, not the 'every possible wiring combination and options'.
Stan
that's absolutely fine. just ordered pair of speakers today, stands and cables later. the DAC will be the final piece.
Based on the latest U$ to £ conversion rate the new DAC will be around £200.
Stan