Looks like its gone for good :(.......
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Looks like its gone for good :(.......
Long Live AOS in that case :)
What will AoS do about Scalford now?
Gosh - why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Covenant
James was very upset at exchanges between members and the constant battle to prevent the 'Wam getting sued. Evidently there was a very heated argument about swearing (I think) and James decided to pull the plug.
Although I much prefer AOS there was lots of nice, knowlegable people on the 'Wam who, I hope, will migrate to AOS. Anything Marco and the mods can do to encourage them should be applauded.
Re the comment on Scalford. Its a bloody long way for me (and half the country). If AOS did a show it should be Midlands or Birmingham area.
Here is a link to why hifiwigwam closed
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/6330/wamclosed.jpg
Rather sad really:( but totally understood.
Dom
I now realize just how good a job Marco and the other mods do here , crikey it can't be easy to run this sort of show .
Quick. Lock the doors...;)
It's a sad day, Wigwam has been an institution and I've always had great times chatting with some of the chaps over there at Scalford the last three years. Competition is good for all of us. Any ex-Wammers with an affinity for what AOS is about will be more than welcome here of course, it would be nice if the circumstances were different though.
All the best to James, I'm sure it was a difficult decision to make, but sometimes family, home and sanity must take priority.
Gosh.
That's sad.
I'm sorry to say you'll be seeing even more of me now, chaps! :)
made a lot of good friends over the years :) will now have to start all over again :scratch:
Not over till the fat lady sings..
Hope the air of finality about is a bit premature and that James, the other mods and everyone that makes The Wam what it is can think about how to move forward.
Quite a few of the posts about Googles influence were rather frothy without James having any opportunity to say what he had in mind-he did say it was a temporary state of affairs to be fair. (Personally, I completely disagree with being censored by any commercial or political interest.)
Hope it returns, some good friends and contacts made there, be sad to lose them.
The Pie Show is another reason of course to encourage some reconciliation.
ATB
Gareth
What a shame it shut down, learnt quite a bit over the years I posted on their
The Wam may well be back yet!
It would be a real shame if not, as there's no other forum like it IMO! Love it or hate it, it had a certain vibe & sense of humour that no other forum gets near!
The real shame would be the loss of the Scalford show though!!!
Will miss wigwam.
it's a shame, i'm still waiting for something I paid £60 for to arrive and all the details were in the pm section which I can't get to now :wah:
aside from that there were a lot of numpty's on there and I guess this site is now at risk of a deluge of newbies who don't give a rat's behind about what they've done to James :steam:
Perhaps if Wigwam had been set up like other forums to filter and asterisk out swear words this situation would never have arisen. Never joined but often looked out of interest. It was frankly populated by a bunch of uncouth idiots who should have been banned. A forum needs to be run by moderators who between them can devote a fair proportion of their time to it. I'm sure it is not beyond the wit of those involved to keep the Scalford show going and post information here and on other forums.
^^^^ ahhh but you kept going back to look didn't you.
Have to say it's a really shame if it's gone for good.
Superb banter and humour that i've not seen elsewhere.
i think you are wrong or at least hope so , everyone respected james and the superb job he and others did , and hope he will do again :)Quote:
Originally Posted by worthingpagan
Hopefully scalford can be kept in it's same format.
I feel if someone takes it on but tries to change it ,it will fail.
A unique show that would be a sad loss.
I might be wrong, and I hope you're right ;) James invited me to join years ago when the audiophile candy shut down, it's him i feel for most, the poor guy must have been driven half out of his mind judging by the final postQuote:
Originally Posted by wee tam
The point is, it wasn't supposed to be like other forums! Why have lots of forums all the same? It was lightly modderated by choice & the AUP stated early on, the swearing & bad language was allowed & also stated that if you didn't like that then please don't join!Quote:
Originally Posted by Audioman
I guess from your post you totally missed the point of the Wam :doh:
Alot of the uncouth idiots (Thank-you!:wanker:) post on alot of other forums & where swearing is not acceptable they behave as the forum dictates :)
Hi alfie,Quote:
Originally Posted by alfie2902
Lets hope scalford keeps going.:champagne:
Thanks to the whole wam team if it is gone for good.
Cheers
chelsea AKA russ abbott on wam.
Hi Stu,Quote:
Originally Posted by chelsea
Well the the first Scalord was supposed to by cross forum so may-be if all work together it can still happen! I have a feeling the Wam will live again, perhaps not as it was/is now, but in some new form :)
I'm hoping there will be a way for us to keep it going.Quote:
Originally Posted by alfie2902
I have a lot of experience of forums generally, and generally they do end in tears if they are not properly moderated. You see, forums aren't clubs or societies. They aren't democracies.
I've seen examples of where moderation is either too strict (where mods abused their position), or too lax. In both cases you end up with resentment.
It would appear that James should have stopped the abuse of the forum long ago by setting down basic expectations on how business is to be conducted in the forum. Marco does a very good job of this, as he skilfully navigates a course between being dictatorial and being too lax; he does it well which is really what makes the #Aos forum so friendly.
forums such as this do attract a fair proportion of windbags, and it is the being separated by a screen that encourages people to behave badly because doing so face to face usually ends up with a smack in the chops :lol:
I am wondering if a paid-for model might be useful in moving forward. Just a thought.
I suspect a slightly different Wam will rise from the ashes, Martin. That said I'm sure the show could carry on under new management, if needs be!Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinT
It was only a matter of time before it imploded anyway.
I was disgusted at the constant foul language being used, the racism, the misogyny, the cliques of thugs and opinionated bullies who made most threads into a nightmare and as for anyone having an opinion different from the herd, it was pitiful to witness.
I personally am very sad that it went from the good intentions it began with to the cesspit it had become and to be perfectly honest James should have taken a leave of absence last year when he vowed to take a back seat for a while and not post. Instead, he saw fit to carry on to humiliate and belittle far too many people and let his own views on matters dominate the forum, encouraging those that mirrored his views. When that attitude prevails at the very top of the tree, then it comes as no surprise the fuse was already well lit for the big bang.
Hey Stu - it's you! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by chelsea
I bet a fair few Wammers will make their way here.
Be nice if the old place was restarted, though - it was always intended to be a Lads Forum. Just read the AUP - if you didn't like it, you were invited not to join. Seems fair enough to me. But it just grew too popular for its own good, and too many of the newbies didn't understand the underlying ethic and f*cked it up. Real shame, imho.
And to any Wam Mods and James if they look in - Many thanks for some excellent times and a whole bunch of new friends I wouldn't have met if not for you. :cool:
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by Effem
The question is if HFWW does not rise from the ashes, where will these people go?
Originally Posted by Duvet
Wigwam is having a sabbatical so mods and admin can make some decisions that we've frankly been putting off. Please be patient, meanwhile while i have no modding duties i'm really chilling out to this
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...9L._SS500_.jpg
thanks duvet
life would be TOTALLY DIRE without the wam, where else could i go in the middle of the night as an insommniac !!!
PLEEASE PLEESE come back soon .....
A sad day. I posted a fair bit on the Wam and will miss it. I mainly visited the music section but picked up most of my kit from the classifieds there and met quite a few wammers. I'm sure something can be worked out and it will be back.
Martin
(aka Rockabillybass on the Wam)
it will be back... theres nothing like the wam. i don`t like swearing but each to their own !!! its a wonderful community as is AOS and meeting so many at scalfold has been such a pleasure including james
missing wam myself , some like minded helpful people their , i hope it comes back
The question is why does anyone NEED a forum to live at?Quote:
Originally Posted by BTH K10A
I find it utterly bizarre that people who have previously never posted at all on this forum because obviously it holds no attractions for them at any other time, should now post here to lament the fact the owner of Hifiwigwam is closing down or taking some time off because the monster he himself has created is now biting his backside :scratch:
what a shame . . especially as I had a deal for some cd's going through :( . . could have waited until tomorrow !! :doh:
great forum, although I enjoy AOS, pinkfish and vinylengine too.
wish James all the best though
And to any Wam Mods and James if they look in - Many thanks for some excellent times and a whole bunch of new friends I wouldn't have met if not for you.
+1 jerry
simples ,Quote:
Originally Posted by Effem
people keep in touch ,
and you posted often enough on the wam also ,sorry if you don't think i'm welcome :wetkipper:
Very good point Frank and well presented.Quote:
Originally Posted by Effem
It is not exactly rocket science to organise a bake-off show, I did one last October in London. The way Wigwam organised it was a complete faf, it worked and was good, but the organisation was over complicated. You just need a card with a couple of grand available on it :)
It is bloody simple, if you want to do it. Someone has to take the bull by the horns and book the hotel with a credit card as sponsorship - simples! If it is like the Scalford model then it is up to forum concerned to get the rooms pre-booked and paid for and for the other members to attend and the money taken on the gate pays the costs. The card is only taken when you check out, as with all hotel pre-bookings.
Anyway the hotel group that own Scalford (and Whittlebury Hall) are in deep doodoos, and were thinking of closing Scalford.
As I said in a previous post, if anyone wants me to do the London one again this year I will sponsor it again, but the forum(s) must make it work this time as I lost money last year on it (well set the cost against tax).
As for the saga at Wigwam, it had to happen sooner or later, it either has to change and create a new ethos (for want of a better word) or die the way Zerogain has after the aggression of two years ago killed the membership. You get one chance with a forum, you don't get it back after your reputation is shot either for boredom and lack of posts or nastiness. If you don't let it get too far you can pull it around. I thought one or two years ago this one was going wrong, but people changed and the good things and good people pulled it around, so it could be done at Wigwam. But has it gone too far, already the mass of the posters are the ones who want the shit it has become, the others are here or at PFM.
I got the point as far as humour is concerned but allowing swearing and abuse and confusing this as humour results in people acting in an unacceptable way. I'm sure most of these posters act quite normaly when not hiding behind a computer screen because in the real world they would probably get a good slapping.Quote:
Originally Posted by alfie2902
Sorry Alfie, but is this supposed to demonstrate that you're not uncouth?Quote:
Originally Posted by alfie2902
Let's keep this in context shall we Tommy?Quote:
Originally Posted by wee tam
I left the Wam some time ago because of the way it had become and that clown James couldn't even let me leave gracefully without doing his level best to humiliate me on the way out, nobody came to my rescue while it was going on, so you must understand I have very little time for the whiners who are lamenting that particular forum's demise.
None of that happens here because the moderators have a clear picture of how exactly the forum should be run, so to some that can mean "dull and boring" compared to the "jolly and laddish" atmosphere of the wigwam, but there are no dual standards here, there is no bullying or abuse tolerated, there is deep mutual respect for other people's opinions, hence we have civilised discussions AND disagreements without resorting to any filthy language or personal insults.
All new members are welcome here trust me and the "keyboard cowboys" when they show their hand are soon weeded out. So, by all means you are more than welcome for meaningful and beneficial participation here and rise up to this forum's standards.
Sad, but true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Effem
I was in the middle of a few sales of CD's on the wam which have now all fallen through I'll need to check the AUP to see if can advertise here. I know I cant on PFMQuote:
Originally Posted by paulgolding
Can't check obviously but I thinks it's my sale your referring to (alphatoner)
Unacceptable to whom?Quote:
Originally Posted by Audioman
The Wams AUP which was written by the forum owner & shapes what is wanted & expected on that forum said "Bad language is allowed!!!! If you do not like this, please do not join the Wam"
If you were offended you shouldn't of joined after you read the AUP!!! I take it you did read the AUP?
I assume you've been out on boys nights out & took part in the banter? Sometimes it can get close to the knuckle, but it's pretty meangless really!
All the wammers I've met & people from other forums have been very nice face to face! Things do sometimes get heated on the forums, but slapping people is far more basic than a swear word or two!!! :rolleyes:
I'm a member of Wigwam, I never got involved in any of the banter, just loved the Music section and gadet section. I started a couple of threads that have run a long time one of which I update each week and would like to migrate to here if the Wam doesn't restart.
I'll speak to Marco if the Wam is dead.
A very nice offer Richard, however we don't all live in the smoke, if an event is going to happen over a weekend like Scalford then it'll turn out quite expensive for people to bring their kit down to show, far better set up an event in the Midlands and just off a major motorway like the M1 or A1, people won't mind travelling if it only takes a maximum of a couple of hours. In my opinion an enthusiasts event, which Scalford is, works in part because of it's location, being not too far away from anywhere in particular, and staying there or in the surrounding area doesn't break the bank either. Maybe these are the reasons why the event you sponsored didn't work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Bunsen Honeydew
No, it was supposed to demonstrate that I am infact one of the dirty unwashed uncouth idiots that Audioman was talking about!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Grand Wazoo
I thought it acceptable here as it is one of smilies the forum supply to be used!
But as Audioman says I am an uncouth idoit :)