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25-08-2013, 15:13
Sovereign

The real sad point is he could have been very successful if only he knew how to deal with people. I would consider myself a very loyal NVA supporter and still am, but the way I was treated was just too much, but more than that the way I saw others treated just pissed me off and I couldn't be part of it any longer.
25-08-2013, 15:30
synsei

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Originally Posted by Sovereign

The real sad point is he could have been very successful if only he knew how to deal with people. I would consider myself a very loyal NVA supporter and still am, but the way I was treated was just too much, but more than that the way I saw others treated just pissed me off and I couldn't be part of it any longer.

I agree with that 100%
25-08-2013, 15:31
Figlet108

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Originally Posted by Gordon Steadman

If you can't see that openess and honesty are to be strived for then good luck. One is expected to declare an interest if pushing a product if you are connected with it and I would expect the same if the reverse is true.

Gordon, can you not see I am chomping at the bit to be open and honest about what has happened? I am objecting because of the lack of openness and honesty offered to me. I would HAPPILY state the truth from my perspective and subject myself to anyone's questioning so as to clear my name. Clearly I can't do that on HFS as has been proved twice, but I would welcome the chance to do it here.

I can't be more open and honest than that can I? It's not that I'm guiltless of all mistakes in this and I've never pretended to be, so I'm not going to come out whiter than white, but let's at least expose the truth... and then if people want to hate me they can at least do it for legitimate reasons.
25-08-2013, 16:06
Gordon Steadman

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Originally Posted by Figlet108

Gordon, can you not see I am chomping at the bit to be open and honest about what has happened? I am objecting because of the lack of openness and honesty offered to me. I would HAPPILY state the truth from my perspective and subject myself to anyone's questioning so as to clear my name. Clearly I can't do that on HFS as has been proved twice, but I would welcome the chance to do it here.

I can't be more open and honest than that can I? It's not that I'm guiltless of all mistakes in this and I've never pretended to be, so I'm not going to come out whiter than white, but let's at least expose the truth... and then if people want to hate me they can at least do it for legitimate reasons.

That is entirely up to Marco, if he thinks he needs your side of the story then fine. At the end of the day, in the final analysis, when all is said and done.............in the end.....whatever, you know my reasons for entering the fray, whatever happens now is not up to me is it?
25-08-2013, 17:24
guy

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Originally Posted by BTH K10A

I don't usually comment on this sort of thing but in the interest of fairness it should be noted that there have been a number of "uninformed" posts on this thread. Whilst I also agree that it is best that they are deleted, why is it that you have only taken offence at Barry's comments? .

I offered advice, which Barry seemed to feel was sensible and so he acted on it.
I am not sure why you assume that I took offence at Barry's comments, after all, you agree that it is best that they were deleted.

Like Marco, I would like to know what had been done with the cable in the photograph, and even was it manufactured by NVA?
Like a number of others on his forum, I feel that here is more to the accusations than meets the eye. If I am incorrect then of course I will apologise.

All the best. Guy

edit - I replied to BTH's comment before seeing the updates to the thread.
25-08-2013, 18:18
BTH K10A

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Originally Posted by guy

I offered advice, which Barry seemed to feel was sensible and so he acted on it.
I am not sure why you assume that I took offence at Barry's comments, after all, you agree that it is best that they were deleted.

Like Marco, I would like to know what had been done with the cable in the photograph, and even was it manufactured by NVA?
Like a number of others on his forum, I feel that here is more to the accusations than meets the eye. If I am incorrect then of course I will apologise.

All the best. Guy

edit - I replied to BTH's comment before seeing the updates to the thread.

Why have you only selectively quoted me and not answered my question regarding Audioman's post?

Whilst I understand there is a history of events that has to be taken into account is still does not diminish the fact that the post by Audioman was unacceptable. I merely wondered why, that same "advice" you gave to Barry was not proffered to Audioman and why I assmed you took offence at Barry's post as notwithstanding he had already offered an apology.

Originally Posted by BTH K10A
I don't usually comment on this sort of thing but in the interest of fairness it should be noted that there have been a number of "uninformed" posts on this thread. Whilst I also agree that it is best that they are deleted, why is it that you have only taken offence at Barry's comments? .

For clarity, the full quote should be as follows:

"I don't usually comment on this sort of thing but in the interest of fairness it should be noted that there have been a number of "uninformed" posts on this thread. Whilst I also agree that it is best that they are deleted, why is it that you have only taken offence at Barry's comments? The Post by Audioman is specifically accusing an individual of deliberately misrepresenting the facts without a shred of evidence, included the rantings of an individual from another forum and certainly needs to be removed and an apology offered."
edit - I replied to BTH's comment before seeing the updates to the thread.[/QUOTE
25-08-2013, 19:00
WOStantonCS100

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Originally Posted by Figlet108

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Originally Posted by Figlet108

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-i...356_resize.JPG

Side-stepping all the drama...

(I believe, someone already pointed out in this thread) ...and as someone who does most of his own servicing and has built his own phono pres, preamps, guitar amps and makes his own cables... I have to say... these two pictures represent how I would NEVER do things. It most certainly IS possible, perhaps a PITA, to leave a whole lot less lead exposed (especially hot/signal lead). That much seems abundantly clear from the photos and doesn't at all look "rigged" to me; just a fast job without nit-picking one's work. I would not accept this kind of work from myself and surely would be ticked off if I paid a high price for cables dressed this way. I was dressing cables better than these two pictures represent when I was a teen in high school... ...with a pencil iron and a razor blade, no less.

Again, this has nothing to do with how I do or don't feel about RD/NVA; but, everything to do with minimizing (if even remotely) the possibility of electrical fault. Why chance it ? Yes, IMO (and those of my mentors), that could have and should have been dressed better. Having said that, I don't really prefer these connectors; but, that has no bearing on how they should be assembled.

Just my tuppence...
25-08-2013, 19:28
Audioman

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Originally Posted by BTH K10A

Why have you only selectively quoted me and not answered my question regarding Audioman's post?

Whilst I understand there is a history of events that has to be taken into account is still does not diminish the fact that the post by Audioman was unacceptable. I merely wondered why, that same "advice" you gave to Barry was not proffered to Audioman and why I assmed you took offence at Barry's post as notwithstanding he had already offered an apology.

Originally Posted by BTH K10A
I don't usually comment on this sort of thing but in the interest of fairness it should be noted that there have been a number of "uninformed" posts on this thread. Whilst I also agree that it is best that they are deleted, why is it that you have only taken offence at Barry's comments? .

For clarity, the full quote should be as follows:

"I don't usually comment on this sort of thing but in the interest of fairness it should be noted that there have been a number of "uninformed" posts on this thread. Whilst I also agree that it is best that they are deleted, why is it that you have only taken offence at Barry's comments? The Post by Audioman is specifically accusing an individual of deliberately misrepresenting the facts without a shred of evidence, included the rantings of an individual from another forum and certainly needs to be removed and an apology offered."
edit - I replied to BTH's comment before seeing the updates to the thread.[/QUOTE

The facts were misrepresented. I will concede it may not be deliberate but Jason later admits he further stripped back the cable to repair it so making the damage appear worse. Also failed to admit these had been purchased by his friend so he was likely unaware of any mishandling done between them coming from Richard Dunn and his acquiring them. Also he has a history with Richard Dunn which involved evidence being found according to RD of his interfering with HFS web site. Whether the accusations are true or not given the history between Jason and RD it can't be ruled out that the way he presented that photograph may have been somewhat influenced by their relationship. So there is no way I will withdraw any comment except to apologise to Barry who innocently took everything at face value before making his unwise criticisms.

Paul.
25-08-2013, 19:29
Werdna

Is this the same Richard?

Mr Richard Dunn (born 66 years ago)
Director, Company Director
09 Mar 1991 — Close Closed • Open0• Retired0 • Closed2

Ms Susan Hood
Company Secretary
09 Mar 1991 — Close Closed • Open0• Retired0 • Closed1

Mr Thomas Andrew Hood (born 61 years ago)
Director, Sales Executive
09 Mar 1991 — 20 Mar 1992 (1 year, 11 days) Retired • Open0• Retired1 • Closed0
NENE VALLEY AUDIO LIMITED

Mr Richard Dunn (born 66 years ago)
Director, Director
25 May 2010 — Close Closed • Open0
• Retired0
• Closed2
Ms Nadejda Dunn
Company Secretary
25 May 2010 — Close Closed • Open0 • Retired0 • Closed1
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25-08-2013, 20:06
Audioman

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Originally Posted by synsei

This is exactly what I feared would happen. Am I the only one who can see the pain and anguish that is being instilled here and we all know where it originates from. Some people have talked in the past about the need to develop a thick skin when dealing with Mr Dunn. Why? Take a moment to think about that. What if someone were to treat you in the manner which is de rigeur on HFS when out in public? How would you deal with it? How did you deal with it? I'm sure it must have happened once or twice. There is no excuse for rudeness and this has gone way beyond that.

The irony of Mr Dunn's rants about the industry are not lost on me. I've noticed that he saves his most potent ire for those, mainly British concerns, which are more successful than his and anybody who supports those concerns, be they customers or agents. He justifies his actions by spouting off about how Naim & Linn were instrumental in 'destroying' the industry late last century and he also blames them for the loss of his previous business, and yet here we are in 2013 and many of us have fine British products sat in our racks sourced from independent home grown businesses which aren't called Naim or Linn, although these two outfits play their part too. For me this demonstrates his real weakness. Any business owner worth his or her salt would adapt to survive. This may involve restructuring the business, re-positioning it in the marketplace and/or changing its marketing policy. However Mr Dunn cannot do this as he has painted himself into a corner with his constant demonisation of manufacturers, dealers and their methods, and yet the only thing these concerns are guilty of is good business practice. They adapted therefore they survived... Put simply, his pride won't let him adapt in the manner he should. To act on any of the points I made he would need to become the enemy and that will never happen. Eventually natural selection will take its course and NVA will go out of business because he will simply run out of people who want to deal with him.

Some good points Dave. Richard should learn how to deal with people better and be polite to awkward customers even if they are unreasonable. That is what any other retailer has to do to be successful. However as far as the internet is concerned there are a number of people who deliberately go out of their way to provoke him or smear his products. As far as his rantings about the hi-fi industry (Linn and Naim) much is very true from everything I've heard down the years. There are a good number of UK brands that failed due to the pressure on dealers to push those products. I would suggest we still have a number of other UK manufacturers in spite of the 'Flat Earth' obsession. Fortunately over the last 20 years the situation has changed. However many notable brands have survived through exports and virtually giving up on the UK market through the bad years.

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