Does size matter?

Go on Mr C, you're a dealer, (is Marco a dealer ?) get a pair in, I'll bring a laptop if you need one.

Looking at your website, they'd fit in anyway I reckon. A good alternative to that silly valve stuff and not expensive.

What's the big thing with ATC? I don't particularly like ATC speakers - certainly not their active designs! I'd like to hear that new huge floorstander they've got out, though, with the 15" drive units. That looks quite promising. I can't remember the model number.

ATCs don't sound like my SP100s, Ashley.

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ADM9s + Sub are as loud as pair of a ATC SCM100A SL and have a better midrange (as do the Spendors) and they'll measure better than virtually anything else on the planet, which gets us into trouble with enthusiasts.

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I'm not particularly interested in 'loudness'. What I value with big speakers is scale and realism, and bass that is delivered with massive visceral impact (the kind that with appropriate material hits you in the chest and makes you feel queasy) which I get in spades with the SP100s, and which I wouldn't get with tiny little drive units in a tiny little cabinet, no matter how good ADM9s are.

You need big cones shifting lots of air to get that effect. And I don't like subwoofers. The bass always seems 'detached' from the rest of the sound no matter how well integrated they are.

Measurements? They're only relevant up to a point. I don't judge speakers (or any other piece of hi-fi equipment) on measurements alone. Experience has taught me it's folly to do so. There are extraneous factors which ultimately influence the sound much more - that is unless you want a bland and sterile sounding hi-fi system ;)

Oh and Marco is most certainly not a dealer (although he knows a few) :)

Marco.

Marco you misunderstood me, you know I like your speakers and I said the mid range on them was better than the ATC's, I mentioned them only to illustrate the fact that ADM9s go as loud as the ATC's without distorting as much as they do, which is much louder than S100's. The Sub merges perfectly too, which is why it's so expensive. For reasons that I shan't disclose, I'll ask you to accept that we have considerable experience of Subwoofer design because we have access to most UK made ones.

Ash

No worries, Ashley. I see where you're coming from :)

With regard to subwoofers I wouldn't dispute what you're saying about your own designs - I'm not in a position to do so as I haven't heard an AVI subwoofer in conjunction with ADM9s or other 'satellite'-type speakers of your company's own design.

However I've heard plenty of others and that's what my comment was based on. I prefer to get scale and deep bass from large all-in-one speakers than via the subwoofer route as up until now that's the best way I've heard of doing it. Tannoy Westminsters, any big PMCs, my SP100s, KEF Maidstones, Naim DBLs, JBL K2 S9800s, Focal Grande Utopia Bes, when set-up properly they all do the 'scale' thing to a dramatic degree, which is what makes me smile.

I like to 'feel' the music as well as hear it, just like you do at a live concert, and that's why size will always matter to me ;)

Marco.

I understand Marco but I'm worried that if we go on about ADM9's all the fights will start.

I'll pipe down till something else crops up that I may be able to comment on.

Ash

Hooray, Hooray, Hooray,

Marco has admitted that he's never heard adm9's and an AVI sub !!!!!!

oh bliss, there is a god after all !!!!!

I'l just nip out and perform a jig from sheer delight !!!!!

If only some of the others would actually admit they've never heard them either !!!!!


Ha Ha Ha, Ho Ho Ho, Hum Hum Hum, Bliss, such Bliss, I'm speechless !!!!

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:gig: :ner::ner::ner::cool::cool::cool: :gig:

Your consideration is appreciated, Ashley. I'm sure though that if ADM9s are discussed in the appropriate context there will be no problems. They're an innovative and interesting product and as such deserve to be mentioned accordingly :)

As long as JC can keep his 'pecker' in, so to speak, we'll be fine :lolsign:

Marco.

P.S I've always said I've never heard the ADM9s - that's nothing new! I NEVER comment definitively on equipment I've had no experience with. It's a sure way of gaining zero credibility ;)

Hey Marco, they're waiting for you on the s/pdif cable thread. :);)

I must say that I've never been comfortable with the "bigger is better" argument with loudspeakers because small speakers punch way above their weight. I'll name some favourites:

The Original Goodmans Maxim as designed by Laurie Fincham, they had a tiny 4.5" Bass driver and a miniature cone driver as a tweeter and it was possible to place them on top of big speakers have have listeners not know which were playing.

LS3/5A's were amazing in their day, although, thanks to misplaced enthusiasm in certain quarters, they've achieved a cult status, which they no longer deserve. They're phasey in the mid and a bit squeaky at the top.

Our own Neutrons which are nearly over now, but thousands and thousands of pairs have sold, if anyone finds a second hand pair, buy them, you'll be amazed. I'll never forget putting them in front of ELS63's at a Musical Weekend in the Lake District and playing music. Everyone thought it was the ELS's and when we switched over to prove it, they sounded worse!

The opposite is true of big three way speakers, in so many, the crossovers really do so much damage that many people prefer two-way speakers instead. The odd ones have stood out and S100's are amongst the very best, but Wilson Watt's?

Properly designed and Active and Big three way speakers could be amazing, but they'll need a cone mid range in my opinion.

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Our own Neutrons which are nearly over now, but thousands and thousands of pairs have sold, if anyone finds a second hand pair, buy them, you'll be amazed.

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I think it's a crying shame that AVI have abandoned their traditional roots shunning 'classic' hi-fi for computer audio. I think it's a decision that could backfire on the company in future.

Marco.