Worth a punt, suppose if other 1210 users can't notice any difference with the block underneath, they could always use it for chopping vegetables.Quote:
Originally Posted by REXTON
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Worth a punt, suppose if other 1210 users can't notice any difference with the block underneath, they could always use it for chopping vegetables.Quote:
Originally Posted by REXTON
I like IKEA for its wide range of easy to use parts, but sometimes you just have to look a bit further for a much nicer option.
A couple of years back I bought a rough plank of wenge wood that was 3cm thick, 45cm wide and 3meters long for about 100 euros from a local wood trader.
Mahogany and Maple were about the same price for 50mm thick planks but it was a bit difficult to find a nice piece that was wide enough.
There were also cheaper and more expensive woods to choose from, and the planks were up to ~60mm thick.
And I guess a bigger country may offer a wider wood variety for better prices.
A local carpenter should be able to procure, plane and square an infinitely more beautiful board for not much more than the IKEA one.
OK the IKEA has vertical wood pieces glued in a sandwich, but its effectiveness is debatable.
If you have a few tools (circular saw and power plane) to do it yourself, then it will be even cheaper.
You will have to pay for the extra bulk wood though, but you will have enough to build nice platforms for your other devices too :)
Hi, Dimitris. Thanks for the commnets. The IKEA board is very cheap at approx 13 Euros and is already made. I'm sure that better boards exist and probably give better results, but, I'm more than happy in the knowledge I don't have to find a carpenter, store the wood off cuts or pay 100Euros for a large piece of wood. I'm extremely happy with the small but beneficial improvement that the IKEA board has given to my 1210.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimkasta
Yeah it's hard to beat IKEA if you just want something that works :)
I'll be messing around with some new spiked feet under the old IKEA chopping board. I'm hoping to get a nice subtle improvement for the small outlay. Stay tuned!
This is the one I use. A nice solid bit of Bamboo. Works well and definitely changed the sound for the better with spikes.
http://www.argos.co.uk/product/2809467
A slight upgrade to the isolation block I'm using and bloody hell what a massive improvement. Expect a review soon.
http://i349.photobucket.com/albums/q...psejl4yz4i.jpg
http://i349.photobucket.com/albums/q...psvg5n4bxw.jpg
I've only added 4 spiked feet but my-oh-my what a difference.
These look nice . Got a link to these feet Andy . I may try them on mine as there's no way of adjusting the GL75 .
i have a nice set in the for sale section fellas:D.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2...B/IMG_4485.jpg
Hi, did you swap over to spiked feet from the Isonoe feet?
Yes AndyQuote:
Originally Posted by REXTON
I noticed a massive difference going to spikes but it was mainly when it was mounted on the bamboo board. Everything became very pin point. Instruments were very individual and the music was just so different for the better than the isonoes. Since the platter upgrade I felt it sounded better with isonoes back on as the bass with the spikes was very over exaggerated. Obviously with the MN platter been a more solid material than the standard one it was transferring sound differently.
Your findings mirror my own, nice! Perhaps I should try some spikes under the 1210 and see if two lots of spikes works better than one set of isonoe's and the bamboo board ?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dubster68
8 months since my last update to the 1210 development. My word, time flies. The 1210 has been in a state of stasis and rightly so! I think the deck sounds bloody great but I think that I may have stumbled upon a very simple and effective way of getting a little but more from the platter mat that I use. I've already documented the tweak elsewhere on the forum but I shall be comparing a few tunes and writing up a mini report in this thread as it's the decks main blog.
It's been a little while since I concentrated on the 1210. So, I thought I'd share a couple of very cheap tweaks which lifted the performance of this deck even further. Firstly I decided to make a set of ebony footers for my isonoe feet :wowzer: what a difference. I'd tried the recommended Sorbothane under the Isonoe's before and noted a complete lifeless sucky music effect. I had a little time on my hands early in December and had made a set of four with the intention of experimenting over the Xmas holidays. All I can say is that these coupled alongside the SPH SSS mat have improved the 1210's performance to a higher level.
The ebony footers (in my system) are a no brainer, I have now noted an improvement every time that I have used Ebony, be it with my 1210 or in the tonearm mount that I made for my Lenco L75. The effects of the SPH SSS have already been documented elsewhere as a separate review.
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Hats off to the inquisitive mind, and willingness to experiment.
On further investigation, it is not a big outlay to follow on with this concept.
The wood in the link, is off a decent dimension to create a similar foot to the one produced.
It may be able to be cut into two pieces to make two feet, or why stop there, as it could be used as a Sandwiched Material, allowing for further investigations into the effect it can have on a Decks replay.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FSC-100-A...0Wow:rk:4:pf:0
Well it had to happen. The Cadenza black is going for a holiday to Holland!
Wise move Andy and a no brainer at the cost and for what you get.Quote:
Originally Posted by REXTON
Takes vinyl replay to a whole next level - you'll love it, the forensic insight, everything, no stone left un-turned in terms of vinyl groove, recorded music extraction, presented, revealed and laid bare :D
Take special care with set-up though, like the Shibata profile the FGS requires you pay extra good attention to set-up, but it'll be more than worth it ;)
Let me know / pm when it lands. Happy to share a few 'tips' in regard to said set-up :)
I'm pretty much hamstrung Rob as I'll be using the SME V so geometry is fixed head. I have had to buy a new set of mounting tools to get the arm properly aligned.
Ah, ok Andy, do what you have to, shout when ya feel :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by REXTON
The Cadenza Black is now being modded as we speak, should be back in 10 days.
Hey hey hey !! :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by REXTON
Yep should be fun. My Cadenza black is 8 years old! It's never been retipped so should sound excellent. Apparently the cart was in excellent condition.
Thats good, how often did you use it ? I know you have other carts. I always only use/have one cart.Quote:
Originally Posted by REXTON
Well less and less over the last year or two TBH. I got into idlers, jazz, valves, Tannoy speakers, SPU's and weird Jap carts! I knew something was wrong when I heard more detail from my Shure M55e+JICO neoSAS stylus combo than the Cadenza Black :eek:.
Ha ha ! :) The Cadenza B with its Shibata is a very detailed cart in my experience, you sure you had it set up optimally ? ie: in that sweet-spot I know these and all carts with more sophisticated profiles, Shibata, Micro Line, Replicant, Fritz Gyger S tend to have, again in my experience...Quote:
Originally Posted by REXTON
Yep it was as good as I could get it. You have to remember that the tip was knackered, it was 8 years old!
The Ortofon Cadenza black has been modded and passed all its test. It's got a new FGS profile diamond, had a bloody good clean and an upgraded damping system, the very same used in Ortofons most expensive carts. It should be home in 10 days. Lonely 1210 can't wait for it's mate.
https://i.ibb.co/GdVkQ2t/WP-20200519-001.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/QY3g2Zk/WP-20200519-002.jpg
We'll chat when you have it on board and get some time with it ;) :)
OK!Quote:
Originally Posted by RobbieGong
Right! The 1210 has had some more trials and tribulations. I managed to snap a cartridge tag which I also managed to repair, very lucky! The Cadenza Black is back with the Fritz Geiger diamond fitted and it's very good indeed. It's ruthless and has to be extremely well setup. I fell into the trap of having the SME V VTA set a little too high only to be greeted with fantastic imaging and the best ever detail retrieval I've experienced but at a loss of bass attack and impact :doh:. The FGS is very sensitive to surface noise so records have to be extremely clean to limit surface noise. I've been experimenting today with VTA and bass attack and impact has returned which was a big relief. So far it's been a no brainer. Speed, attack, soundstage, data retrieval have all moved up a notch. I'd say I'm about 80-90% their with correct setup. Still tweaking with anti-skate and tracking force values. The deck is performing better than it ever has but I think their is more to come. I'm still in the break in period so I'll hopefully see "more" of everything at the 50-100 hour period, so far less than 6 hours on the cartridge!
Here's my regular half decade update for the 1210. The deck still does stirling service despite being put into use for the last 15 years. Tonight's update came about due to some experimentation with JR149 speakers and Fosi Audio v3 monoblocks. The 1210 has always been partnered with active ATC50 speakers, well not tonight. As a little experiment I decided to hook the 1210 up with the Fosi's and the JR149's. I've not really fully experienced the JR149's in full flow, I hooked up my TEAC VRDS 25X but I always got the sense the speakers weren't really expressing every detail. So, step forward the old 1210 war horse with oodles more detail and basically a zillion % more of everything that a CD player can't convey. These little speakers are amazing considering their age. The 1210 has had a few little tweaks since I last wrote. The first thing that I upgraded was the equipment rack. The 1210 now sits on a 25mm bamboo shelf. The second thing I added was a Townshend Seismic Platform. The main reasoning behind these additions was to isolate the 1210 and improve on the Isonoe feet that I installed many years ago.
Just a couple of pictures, first, just to show that I still own the 1210 and it's not a mythical beast! As you can see all the old bits of kit are still present.
https://i.ibb.co/57CHrs3/IMG-1817.jpg
Now, just a second picture to show how the isolation of the 1210 has been improved.
https://i.ibb.co/XkGTspWD/IMG-1813.jpg
Things sound amazing through the JR149's. I never intended to ever sell the JR149's and now I'm even more determined to never part with them. So, an unexpected experiment today has lead to a thread update from half a decade ago and just like the JR149's the 1210 is goiing nowhere.
Stay Tuned.....
So not only an update on your Technics deck (partnered with the superb SME V), but on the JR149 speakers as well.
Don't leave it so long next time for an update! :)
It's been 10 months since I last wrote anything about the 1210 and in some respects nothing has changed. It still sits on the same Bamboo shelf and the Townshend isolation stand, but then some things have changed. I managed to borrow a £1700 pair of silver interconnects and have had these plumbed into the 1210 system and it's been amusing to say the least when I compared them with my usual Yannis Tome IC's. Thankfully it's quite easy to see how the changes in the system and even in the cables affect the presentation of what I'm hearing. I'll have a listen again tomorrow and hopefully post some thoughts.
1210 Blog - Pt (God knows)! I - Some observations.....
Firstly don't expect this blog to be updated too often and that's quite a good thing, the 1210 has been an excellent machine over the last 15.5 years that I have been using it. I think that's testimony to the design and the fact that all the tweaking, messing around, debating, experimenting has paid off. The deck has not been changed in years. I had a chance to review a pair of £1700 cables and can report back that Yannis still rules :rfl:. This thread is so old that it will be taking it's GCSE's next year, it's nearly 16 years old! I've never really discussed the impact of the Townshend Siesmic Isolation platform on the 1210, to be honest I never really made any notes, it just felt "right". I know my system so well that I can instantly tell, usually within a few minutes if something is going to work. I've always been a big fan of keeping things minimal in a system, mainly because it's easy to see how an individual component cam impact a system. Recently I have been spending some time on my Garrard 301 system with a new SME 3009 arm project (more in the other thread). I have been suffering from a hum problem and this inspired me to optimise the earthing on the 1210. The earthing on the 1210 has always been good but it just got a little better, slightly quieter in the background. I noticed the Cadenza black seems a little quieter with respects to surface noise. Anyone owning a Cadenza black will appreciate what I'm talking about, you get amazing clarity and detail but they are not that good with surface noise.
The 3009 project also also made me question if a damping fluid on the 1210's SME V would be of any benefit? I've learned in the past to never over damp a 1210, in fact I have no damping on my 1210 at all and I rely on many levels of turntable isolation such as the Isonoe feet, Townshend platform and bamboo shelve on the rack.... Interesting times.... stay tuned.....