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I really like the icons Werner - very clean and stylish. The functions on the device are so simple that even if the meanings aren't initially apparent to some I don't think it is a major issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Werner Berghofer
Still not convinced on the fonts however!
Graham
I prefer the pre-Werner versions.
The triangle, however, to the right of the volume control solves a few layout problems, if there is room for it in real life.
The "Bushmaster" font is a disaster in any size. Slanted Courier is a throwback to the age of the dot matrix printer. It was far better in Helve.
The 24/192 should be under "Beresford" - and we don't need "bit" and "kHz".
The lines linking the source buttons to group them by type are unnecessary clutter.
The symbols I quite like, but does Stan think them explicit enough?
I would prefer to see the Beresford Logo lose its ring, and maybe soften its font.
I like this Werner with one caveat, I think the Bushmaster and 24bit/192khz grouping looks very awkward. The 24bit/192khz text can only work on the top edge of the fascia if it is under the Beresford logo with Bushmaster above the volume control or vice versa. One other possibility might be to place the 24bit/192khz under the volume control with Bushmaster above. With 24bit/192khz under the volume control it would sit well with the final few characters sat under the flat base of the volume wedge icon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Werner Berghofer
The Beresford logo should absolutely remain as it is.
Brian,
The typeface I used for "Bushmaster" is called Rockwell, and the variant is not slanted, but italic. Rockwell is a classic, proportional slab-serif font, while Courier is monospaced, and slanted is not italic. You have an excellent eye for typography.Quote:
Originally Posted by Labarum
Like any logo also the “Beresford” logo needs space to breathe. This name placed in the rounded corner rectangle must not be located too close to any other typographic element. And the brand name “Beresford” has nothing to do with a certain sampling frequency or bit resolution, which would be implied if it was placed like this. “24 bit/192 kHz” is not an additional remark appended or close to the word “Beresford”, but an appendix or superscript to “Bushmaster”.Quote:
Originally Posted by Labarum
Actually I would prefer to own a 24 bit/192 kHz DAC instead of a 24/192, but to each his own. A few days ago on head-fi.org a new member asked what “16/44 audio” was. It's cool to be a knowing insider, but this does not work when omitting important parts of what this cool dude is talking about.
The lower edges of these lines introduce a very welcome horizontal axis to vertically align the word “auto” on. I also feel they pretty help to balance the unevenly placed “power” and “source” knobs on the left side and help to reduce the visual agitation. Besides this, I think they group the associated LEDs and the connection icons in a visual as well as conceptual way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Labarum
Werner.
Dave,
there are only 7.5 millimeters available above and below the volume control. This in my opinion is not enough to place the model description “Bushmaster” in a pleasing and satisfying way.Quote:
Originally Posted by synsei
But this would introduce yet another horizontal axis, which would be vertically aligned to no other element. And it might suggest the idea that the volume control could be used to change the bit resolution or the sampling frequency. I would not place anything below the volume control except the volume icon, since the room there is very limited.Quote:
Originally Posted by synsei
It might work if the part “24 bit/192 kHz DAC” was placed aligned left below the “Bushmaster” word. Personally I think this technical specification does not need to be present at all on the front plate, but this is something Stan has to decide.
http://www.berghofer.com/photos/gear...ns_black_1.gif
http://www.berghofer.com/photos/gear...ns_black_2.gif
Werner.
Ok, I have been a busy bunny this morning. Here are my re-interpretations of Werner's designs. I felt there were some positional and font changes that needed to be applied.
As much as I tried to stay with the original font for 'Bushmaster' Stan it just didn't look right next to your logo, so I have chosen AR Essence (22pt) instead. I like the swoopiness of some of the characters in this font which hint at the flow of a snake as it moves across the ground. I did try applying this font in its italicised form but it was just too much sat next to the italicised text in your logo.
The font I used for the descriptor text is Copper Plate Light (8pt italic). Unfortunately I could not employ Lower Case due to the limitations of Windows Paint which is all I have available to me.
First off is a simple adaptation of Werners original design with the new Bushmaster font to the right of Stan's logo...
http://i1019.photobucket.com/albums/...ext_10pt-1.jpg
Next up is my redesign including the Bushmaster logo from above and the full descriptor text including the English spelling of 'Analogue'...
http://i1019.photobucket.com/albums/..._10ptmk2-2.jpg
Now we have the same as above but with the US spelling of 'Analog'. Here the descriptor text shares the font colour of Stan's logo...
http://i1019.photobucket.com/albums/...sterFullUS.jpg
And finally we have the same layout but with a shortened version of the descriptor text...
http://i1019.photobucket.com/albums/...erShortDAC.jpg
The Beresford logo now lines up with the left edge of the power button keeping things neat. I have also stretched the descriptor text a touch in the final rendition to line up with the right hand edge of the 2nd COAX LED which neatens things still further. I feel the designs above demonstrate purpose and enhance Stan's aspirations for the product.
Dave,
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Originally Posted by synsei
- That “Bushmaster” font is a risky choice, and placing it so near to the “Beresford” logo is not less risky.
- Why white text? I used 40 percent black for my lettering and the icons.
- The size of the “Copperplate” font is too small, the characters are too tightly spaced and barely readable. A font size of 8 point would be very difficult to print in silk screen on a brushed metal surface.
- There has to be a certain space between “24” and “bit”, as well as between “192” and “kHz”. Omitting space here is a semantic and typographic error. Although nowadays this is seen very often, in professional typography there is no space before and after the slash “/”.
- “Unfortunately I could not employ Lower Case due to the limitations of Windows Paint which is all I have available to me” — This is not a limitation of the software, but of the font. The “Copperplate” typeface is a small caps fonts by design.
Werner.
I for one much prefer Stan's original offering and really can't believe that this has run so far - Stan you appear to have the patience of a saint!
Sound quality for me every time.
Thank you Werner. I was being ironical is some places and accurate in others; and I was firing from the hip as you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Werner Berghofer
The font you use for "Bushmaster" is indeed slanted or oblique and not italic: the precise shape of the letter 'a' is the give-away.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oblique_type
:)
Totally agree , looks fine in original format , sound quality first for me too.
Brian.