Why is HFW so biased against vintage cartridges?

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Originally Posted by Marco

Hi Chris,

I take your point, so in that respect David could use another turntable if he wanted.

However, the fact is the other items mentioned are all essential in order to optimise the DL-103SA (or any 103), particularly the A23 SUT, otherwise forget about it - it's as simple as that. My view is that if you're going to do a job, you do it right.

It all boils down to how thorough David wants to be! The more thorough he is, the more accurate and meaingful his review will be :)

Marco.

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I quote your post again, and highlight the relative points. Nuf sed!

It's ok, Dave. Richard's got some serious demons he needs to exorcise, so he uses forums such as this for the purpose ;)

We enjoy the entertainment (sometimes)! :lol:

Marco.

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Originally Posted by Richard

I quote your post again, and highlight the relative points. Nuf sed!

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Yes, but anything I write on here is only ever my opinion - I don't have to spell it out in black & white. It doesn't matter the language used. How could it be anything else? Have I submitted empirical evidence to affirm my opinion? No.

Everyone's posts on any forum, unless specifically stated otherwise, should always be read as "IMHO".

This is basic common sense, Richard!

Marco.

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Originally Posted by Dave Cawley

And there was I thinking a FET versus SUT thing would prick everyone's ears up......................

:uhho:

Dave

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It pricked my ear (possibly a painfull experience).

I have used FETs and they do some things very well. There are also a couple of musical very low noise op-amps around, but sadly not the ones recomended on most DIY forums I have seen. There is also loads of crap.

My point is just to point out there are other ways to amplify and match a DL103 apart from the one *dictated* by Marco. I have DL103 and I and many others, including forum member Gromit, who use the same phono stage with the DL103.

BTW it is very difficult to mod to improve on the PL-71 which is why it is such a star. In many ways it looks ordinary, but it is a synergy at a level that is very rare. I have built external supply for it and it doesn't really justify it, even a larger VA transformer on the existing circuit is only very marginal in benefit, and not cost effective. The full circuit diagram is on line.

Marco, your opinion is empirical insofar as it is based on your own personal experience. The purpose of AOS is to share such experience.

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Originally Posted by Steve Toy

Marco, your opinion is empirical insofar as it is based on your own resonal experience. The purpose of AOS is to share such experience.

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Is the purpose to *tell* people that is the only way to do it or they are wasting their time?

Richard,

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My point is just to point out there are other ways to amplify and match a DL103 apart from the one *dictated* by Marco.

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And your ways are perfectly valid and have equal merit to mine. It's all about context. Let people listen, if they wish, to what is said by the likes of you and me on any given subject, and then let them find their own way. I have no problem with that. Clearly, that's what is happening anyway.

The problem, Richard, is that you interpret my (admittedly) very robust style of posting/expressing my opinion as "dictating", and of course you're entitled to do so, but don't make the mistake of thinking that everyone else sees it that way. Not everyone views the world from your jaundiced perspective.

You expect people to like your (equally) robust style of posting/expressing yourself or lump it - well it's exactly the same with me! I am who I am, you are who you are. This is something you need to take on board if your intention is to be part of this community in the long term and to harmoniously co-exist with others :)

Marco.

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Originally Posted by Dave Cawley

Hi Marco

What I meant was, for solid state guys, only the A.N.T. Kora set to load the 103 properly. No transformer, no valves, for those that would prefer it that way? How would it compare? :kiss: Remember FET's are most excellent in the tuneful distortion stakes.................

If it worked it would widen the options for potential users?

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Yep, I'm all for that Dave. Sounds like a viable option and one we can test if you like next time I'm down :cool:

Marco.

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Originally Posted by Marco

Richard,



And your ways are perfectly valid and have equal merit to mine. It's all about context. Let people listen, if they wish, to what is said by the likes of you and me on any given subject, and then let them find their own way. I have no problem with that. Clearly, that's what is happening anyway.

The problem, Richard, is that you interpret my (admittedly) very robust style of posting/expressing my opinion as "dictating", and of course you're entitled to do so, but don't make the mistake of thinking that everyone else sees it that way. Not everyone views the world from your jaundiced perspective.

You expect people to like your (equally) robust style of posting/expressing yourself or lump it - well it's exactly the same with me! I am who I am, you are who you are. This is something you need to take on board if your intention is to be part of this community in the long term and to harmoniously co-exist with others :)

Marco.

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Well you are obviously not a complete idiot, which at one time I was having my doubts on. For example it was not until your waffling that I tried a M3D, it is not an SPU but it really is fun, a bit heavy handed but on some music that is perfect. My one though has developed a hiss on both channels, weird!

I think you should note that I have never said, and would not say, that my way of doing things is the only way, that is the difference in our styles. The only thing I say is choose with your ears and this is what I have chosen. So we are not the same, I would never dictate to people the way you do, hectoring them from your balcony. Though you do seem a little milder now compared with the start of the forum, perhaps your mind is opening more.

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Is the purpose to *tell* people that is the only way to do it or they are wasting their time?

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No it isn't, Richard.

However, whilst most of us do accept that there are a number of ways to skin a cat, Marco has through due process come up with a combination that works well.

AOS is about this very due process. Forget the ideology, the brand loyalties, the factions and the agendas. As the maths teacher keeps saying,
"I want to see your working towards your final answer not just the right answer. There are five marks for each algebra question and only one for the answer."

A lot of Linnies/Naimies etc (or anyone who is a marketing sucker with a sheep-like approach to hi-fi) will score only 1/5 at best.

Marco has given us his working and that gives him at least 4/5.

This is what subjectivism is about - using your ears, hearing alternatives and and exercising sound judgement to get the most informative, involving and enjoyable reproduction of your recorded music collection for your money.

All we do is lead by example. We do not expect others simply to select blindly the same 'right' answer without undergoing the same thorough process.

The process is what counts more than the final result.