Just pulled the trigger on one of these babies....

Whether we can hear above 20K is one valid issue but so is the question of what is on a record over 20k. Supertweeters can definitely reach the frequencies they claim - my own are pretty flat to 40K, but that's only part of the story. In my own case I built them because the tweeters in my main speakers roll off quite quickly above 10K. One would expect the addition of a driver partly crossing into the operating range of another to adversely impact image focus and make the sound brighter. In actual fact the sound does not seem any brighter and focus is actually improved!

With such an extended frequency responce, isn't it the harmonics that are greatly improved? Even though the ear can't hear that high, but you'll still notice an improvement.

It's interesting to see the frequency response chart almost matches the AT150 MLX, with a similar kick up around 10kHz. The 150 MLX is 5db at this point, so slightly higher. I think you need to revisit the AT house sound Marco. Admittidley, the 150MLX only goes from 10Hz to 30kHz, but the top end is beyond your hearing range anyway, but it's much cheaper and on paper does similar things.

I realise that the Denon is an MC, and the 150MLX is MM, but I would be intrigued to hear the differences between the two, and something higher up the AT range as well. As I said on paper, the responses are very similar.

Oh god, just a flippant post and still the nonsense continues. Take the latest post - 'isn't it the harmonics that are greatly improved? Even though the ear can't hear that high, but you'll still notice an improvement." Now come on. That statement deserves some analysis. A suggestion that an extended frequecy response beyond the range of human hearing (and remember that men over 40 have a greatly reduced frequency response, despite what they might imagine or what their hifi dealers might tell them) improves harmonics. Well, whether any higher harmonics of fundamental tones are present is going to be a function of the system that produced the fundamental tones. Yes, if we are talking about a stringed instrument, there will be a series of harmonics present in the string's vibrations, but remember that the fall away of the volume of the higher harmonics is extremely rapid so the higher harmonics if present at all will be increasingly low in volume. Whether any of these increasingly small high frequency sounds have been captured will be a function of the transducers that captured the original sound, namely the microphones, and the resoution of the original capture matrial, eg the magnetic master tape. Electronc music producing pure tones won't generate harmonics in and of itself, unless they are part of the tone that is programmed to be produced. And then to cap it all the statment "Even though the ear can't hear that high" and the grand non sequitur "but you'll still notice an improvement". Quite how exactly? With a some special audiophile auditory organ that the rest of the population don't have? With the third eye? Because you've read in a hifi mag or a forum that you should be able to detect some difference?

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Oh god, just a flippant post and still the nonsense continues.

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It may have appeared to you as "flippant", but with the absence of any smilies, in order to indicate irony, it certainly didn't come across like that - and now you're referring to perfectly valid input as "nonsense".

I suggest that you cease your blatant thread-crapping, aggressive tone, not to mention disrespectful and condescending attitude, or face a week's ban without any further warning. We don't tolerate that sort of behaviour here.

Marco.

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It's interesting to see the frequency response chart almost matches the AT150 MLX, with a similar kick up around 10kHz. The 150 MLX is 5db at this point, so slightly higher. I think you need to revisit the AT house sound Marco. Admittidley, the 150MLX only goes from 10Hz to 30kHz, but the top end is beyond your hearing range anyway, but it's much cheaper and on paper does similar things.

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I've heard the 150 (and also the 440MLA) and like them both, but I expect the DL-S1 to be rather different. I'll let you know the score on that one when the Denon lands! :)

Marco.

I really hope it is! I've spent enough on cartridges recently with the 2M Black and SAE 1000LT, but plans for an upgrade can always be made. I'll be placing an order for a platter soon, so my upgrade journey is almost over. The only things left to buy will be vinyl, and a decent MC cartridge (and the Slee Elevator EXP)

Are you going for the ETP platter or a Funk? :)

Marco.

Not sure at the moment.
A mk 1 Funk is cheaper, a mk 2 would be interesting, but I hear nothing but good things about the ETP.
Any chance of a decent pic of the ETP?

Ideally, I would like all three here so I can pick my favourite.

Not my T/T, but the platter is identical:


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/541/enkr.jpg


Marco.