LOL, understand Mike. At least you haven't 'turned' classical ;)
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Don't get me wrong though, I do love modern jazz and the system I outlined had the most incredible 'air' and 'space'. My problem was that, as with recently, it had no excess power and grunt. I think I need to learn now that I just don't suit valves.
Personally having played in a few minor amateur jazz bands and seen a few live, amateur and famous, I think either statement is far from the truth. In my experience playing in a jazz group requires a clear understanding of what each other is doing and complimenting each other to get a successful presentation of what they are performing and trying to achieve. If one member tries to out do another or goes of on a completely random tack it will result in a breakdown in the musical form and any fluidity, unless that is actually what the group of players want to achieve.
I do not see the two as mutually exclusive.