That CD1 is a bit of kit I've always coveted. :smoking:
I would have liked to have heard how it measures up to modern players. When I first listened to one it was streets ahead of anything else, even the MCD.
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Will post more later, (just having my dinner) but just wanted to say what a fab day out, and really good to meet a few more AoS'ers.
i've been feeling depressed all day... i missed out due to the daughters dance show....
looks like a dam good time was had..
cheers
stev
You mean the Cambridge CD1 actually WORKED, and for some hours too????? - YIKES!!!!!
The bloody rats nest of wires inside and myriad RS transformers was not a joy to behold I can tell you.
I shall reserve comment on the Leak 2075's Adam spent so long restoring. I'd rather have some vintage IMF's any day - or Spendor BC3's, or Monitor Audio MA3's - ok ok, I'm spoiling it ;)
I shall attempt to get out of my lazy bed next year if such a show is repeated. I spent all afternoon playing with yet another Technics SL1500 and this one seems different in motor-feel/overshoot to the one Alex has (which has no overshoot). Better or worse I cannot say without more research.
Glad you all had a great time :)
Sorted out the duff pictures & i'm left with 153 :eyebrows:
I'll attempt to get them through Picasa & uploaded to a photo hosting site as soon as i can :doh:
Meanwhile :cool:
It certainly did! Unlike the poor Technics Cassette deck which had sadly decided to get stage fright... :(
(The "error meter" (for want of its real name) on the CD1 was quite disturbing though!)
I don't think we'll let you get away with missing it again next year Dave - I've reserved you seat in the car already! ;)
Hi guys,
Just a quick one, as I'm not long in and totally shattered.... Great to meet some you today for the first time, such as Mark (Reid Malenfant) Alex UK, Andrew (Flatpopely), etc, as well as meeting again Mark (YNWAN), Jonboy, Steve Toy, Alfie, Guy Sergeant, Nick Gorham, Tony L (from pfm), Adam (Beobloke), Philip (Baron), Chris (Tecnobear), amongst others, and of course members of the mod team such a Nick and John :)
Special thanks go to Steve Toy for loaning us the use of his superb Eikos CDP, AW mains block and QS Ref acrylic stands, without which our system would'nt have been the same.
Anyway, hope you guy enjoyed the system - we certainly listened to plenty of choons and had a few giggles... :cool:
Off to catch up on some sleep now - only got four hours last night! :goodnight:
Laters,
Marco.
Looks like a lot of fun and some excellent pictures. Look forward to seeing the rest. :)
Did the Ditton 66's survive? I did fear for them somewhat.........
As for me for the future - http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q...s/a7df5081.jpg
that machine was revised: wiring & power supply..I never understand why people always give these old machnes an hard time. That 'CD-1' would see off many a modern machine, which i'm sure plenty that auditioned it would admit, as would the rebuilt & NOS'd Mission 'DAD7000R' i have.I used to have a 'CD-1' but never had the error counter unit..i never had a single bit of trouble with it like i do many modern machines
It was nice to see so many happy smiling faces in my room today. I was a bit worried being out on a limb but in fact the room had visitors from 09:30 to 16:00 continuously before getting a bit patchy just towards the end but we were still playing at 17:30.
Thanks for all the kind comments. It's nice to know that I'm not stone deaf and that the system does actually sound good :lol:
I think I've probably sold another 20 or 30 CDQ's for Audiolab today.
Loads of people stayed ages and some even came back later for more. That really made it worth all the effort. I had a very enjoyable day.
Well, a few words on my first Scalford Experience.
I won't name names, but it was really good to meet so many AoS members, although the circumstances are not conducive to having long conversations, so apologies to those who I didn't get to speak to much. It was still really good to put faces to names (and avatars!) and to meet some of the people behind the posts.
This was my first Scalford - to be honest, my first "hifi" event of any type. For me, it was really interesting to see and hear so many different systems in one location, and without there being vested interests at play. It would be rude of me to mention the systems I didn't particularly like, but let's just say I have no desire to go out looking for horn speakers, or re-mortgaging the house to pay for "badge" hifi....
Mark (Reid Malenfant) and I spent the day together, mainly because Mark didn't want to be stuck in Pie country as he doesn't have a mobile 'phone! It was interesting that we both pretty much came to the same conclusions after each visit to a room. We managed to get round to most, although not all - 49 rooms in a maximum of 7 hours is actually too much - divided amongst each room, that only gives you 8.5 minutes per system, and that is if you forego beer, fag, wee and food breaks - we chose to drop the latter, so that still only gave us a maximum of 8 minutes per room! Given that we naturally wanted to spend more than that in the AoS room, and make several visits, in reality, you just can't do it in a day, regardless of the fact that you also spend half the time trying to work out where the f*ck you are in the building!
Other personal observations, then. Everyone was really friendly, and despite it being heaving, we always managed to squeeze into a room. The main emphasis I think is on fun - no one was taking it too seriously, I felt. One slight criticism is that the usual hifi fare was being played in a lot of rooms - Miles Davies, Kate Bush, Dire Straits where probably the most common, but there was a general trend towards Jazz/acoustic type music (I know to a degree this is the listener's fault, for not asking for something else, but refer to the comment about time above...) I personally would have liked to hear a bit more variation, and perhaps it was there, and we just got unlucky on the rotation we were working on.
Down to the nitty gritty then - which rooms sounded the best? As a general observation, as already eluded to above, the systems with horns in them just didn't do it for me. Quite a lot of the rooms were not ideal matches for the systems, and I found that overall, the systems I preferred were those with smaller standmount speakers, which were more optimal for the rooms. I have certainly changed my opinion of "tiddly speakers" - the JR149s, AVI ADM 9.1's, Harbeth HL-P3ES's, and tiny PMCs all doing a great job.
Here's an interesting one - I found that I didn't prefer in any system valves over solid state, or vice versa. I know I'm a bit of a newbie here, but I really couldn't have told you in one single example just by listening, whether an amp was valve or transistor based. Probably just my lack of experience, but I certainly haven't come away thinking (apart from the looks) that I just have to have glowing bottles!
OK, well I've avoided it long enough - which system did I like the most? Well, it goes without saying (well it doesn't, so I'll say it!) that the AoS system did sound fab - Nick's (Beechwoods) Nagra in particular surprised me, as I wasn't expecting it to sound that good - just my preconceptions of tape, I guess, based on 80's Amstrad systems - I never realised how good a tape front end can be. Marco's Techie, Copper amp and 66's was a lovely combination. I also heard several people commenting on how good the AoS room sounded - they obviously weren't in their when Nick (Beechwoods) was choosing the music! :lol: ;)
I also really enjoyed listening to the Quad ESL57 fronted system, with LP12 front end and Leak TL12 amps - maybe it was partly because I deliberately wanted to hear a pair of electrostatics, having never heard them before, or not, but they sounded very neutral and had a wonderful presentation. Maybe helped by the supertweeters, but also I suspect the big room they were in.
I could go on and on - really, there wasn't a "bad" system at all. But, in the final analysis, I think the sound I enjoyed the most was in Jerry's (Jandl100) room, with the combo of Wadia 830 CD player or Pioneer PL600X turntable, Unison Unico amp, and borrowed Tannoy 12" Golds in Lancaster cabinets. I don't know what it was about this system specifically that was so tantalising, but it just seemed so effortless - the image was so well defined, and the "picture" so clear, and overall the combination was just so full of soul and musicality that if I had to stick my neck out and say that is the one I would have, it would (probably) be it.
I hope I haven't offended anyone with my musings - it really was a fabulous day out, and a great experience, and I can't wait until the next one!
Well done everyone.
NicK Negra is a lovelly bit of engineering and sounded really great
At least no one can excuse the AOS room of sticking with the usual music, but yes it was fun watcing people's reaction when we played something a bit more challenging, perhapd maybe good then we did not have a DAC so I could play my tastes!
I really enjoyed hanging around with Nick and Marco lots of laughs
A lot of people liked the Dittons we got a lot of questions and lots of people wanting to hear the Negra. It was great chatting to people, Johnboy looked a lot more sane that i imainged (Lol_ really nice to chat too. Did not get as much opportunity to talk to Alex and Mark as I would of liked. Technobear was nice to chat impressive collection of music and nice system.
I imagine both Marco and Nick must be really tired, they both worked so hard I had to leave a bit early back was getting a bit tight and just knew helping load up was just going to make everything worse
Listening to the Negra I now understand why Andre records all his music onto tape from CD, it just allows the music to flow more naturally. Its a lovelly bit of kit Nick
The 66s are nicely balanced, not quite the scale of Marcos Lockwoods, but very easy to live with. What suprised me is how intergrated they are throughout the frequency range.
A lot of people commited how well Jerry system sounded, I think he really liked the Negra but perhaps not our music choices.
The 1210 is now a truly high end player, the platter and power supplies just seems to let the music flow I also really liked the SPU very musical and understand why people really like it
To be honest, the Ditton 66's didn't really win me over - fun though.
The Nagra was lovely though.
Hi Jerry,
Yes I was very impressed with your room, too, and would rate it as one of the best, perhaps in no small amount due to those superb Lancasters, which TBH, are one of the best pairs of Tannoys I've heard :eek: - you had real synergy going on there, dude!
Perhaps now you've warmed just a teensy-weensy bit to the vintage Tannoy DC sound? There's a reason, you know, why so many people loved their musical presentation ;)
Also, I was glad to have been of assistance to Robin on Friday night when he was considering buying the Lancasters, and he asked for my advice, and invited Nick, John and me over to his room to have a listen to them. It only took about 5 mins of listening for me to say "Buy 'em!", so I'm glad he did - enjoy Rob! :)
I will comment later on my thoughts of the few rooms I managed to visit.
As an exhibitor, it's impossible to get round all the rooms, and I think if this excellent show could be bettered in any significant way, it would be for it to be extended to a two-day event. You need one day to be in your own room to talk to people, and another full day to visit everyone else's room and have a proper listen.
Perhaps someone who's also a member of Wigwam could put this suggestion forward?
I know it would make it more expensive, but I think it would ultimately result in people enjoying themselves more, being less tired, and probably even better sounds being produced, as folks would have more time to get their systems gelling with the rooms they've been given.
A big thanks, though, to James and everyone else at Wigwam for the superb effort they put in to making the show once again a success - roll on next year indeed!
One thing I'd like to do next year is put together an AoS system with less of my gear in it (for a change - lol), and showcase other people's kit. I'd love to use some of Martin T's equipment, for example, particularly his Techy, and there are others too who could provide some good stuff (e.g. Clive, with his superb Salvation T/T), so let's work towards that aim for next year, chaps....!
Anyway, until I can get my own thoughts together, here are a smattering of the comments we've received from elsewhere on the AoS room (we had loads more very positive remarks from visitors, many of whom don't contribute to forums, with the Celestions in particular going down a treat):
From Wigwam:
"Art of Sound's was as amazing as ever and those old Celestions are staggeringly good."
"We both thought the Ditton 66 system was great, considering they are as old as my son! They sounded clean and controlled and easily showed the difference between the sources that were used during our brief listening session."
"Really glad it worked out for you in the end Jerry. Now some people might think me biased, but I would say this anyway-your room with Robins' Tannoys was the best sounding of the show by a country mile, barring The AOS room who were close behind, particularly when the Nagra open-reel was in use..."
"The Art of Sound room was very impressive. A lot of electronica being played on my first visit. I was walking past later in the day when Jeff Buckley’s was playing and stopped dead in my tracks at the door and had to go back in. It was awesome."
"The few rooms that I poke my head in to were all very positive, the ART of sound's room was rather good..."
"The final system that stood out for me was one that I think was on the first floor and used monitor speakers that were quite widely spaced, so going by the programme, I think it must have been SYndicate 5's system with Celestion Ditton 66 Studio Monitors. Pretty detailed, but not in your face. Reminded me a bit of my Spendor Sp1's."
"AOS's room was very loud as usual! My first visit was a dissapointment due to excess treble but a second visit was jawdropping with the Nagra playing."
"The AOS room, with the Celestion Ditton 66. Sounded good on CD, but then I asked for the Nagra reel-to-reel to be played ... OMG . Fabulous."
"I loved the Celestion 66s. My brother used to own 25s, and maybe that's why I liked them so much. Cool copper KT88 based amp, lovely Nagra tape deck. I'm not sure this wasn't my fave system. Loved the way the 66s looked, ahem, so knackered, yet sang so bloody well. The 66s ooze detail, can pack serious, serious bass. They also image really well. Brilliant!"
"The Celestion 66 sound was also very good - impressive clean and deep bass in a relatively large room."
From James Palmer (owner): "Only one FUCK ME THAT'S UGLY, OH MY GO I WANT IT moment: I thought Marco's speakers were the ugliest things I have ever seen while being the most sublime speakers I have ever heard. Quite astonishingly good."
And from pfm:
"[Best rooms] Marco/Art of Sound - Insane amounts of deep bass from some vintage Celestion 66s. Good sound and just goes to show how good some old speakers are."
"AoS's Dittons 66 are both fabulous and stupendously ugly at the same time..."
[Indeed they ain't purdy with the grilles off, but unfortunately that's how they sound best! :eyebrows:]
"It really is a great show, where else can you hear ,Quads ,Tannoys ,Horns, Apogees, those fantastic Dittons, in a 25 metre radius".
And from Tony L:
"Marco's Ditton 66s. These were the speaker that kicked me into audio in first place. I heard a friend's dad's pair and was hooked, I can even remember the track (A Question Of Balance by the Moody Blues). Not heard a pair since about 1976 until today. You know what? They sound how I remember them: big, ballsy, tons of deep fun bass. I like."
It was certainly good at long last to meet Tony and have a chat with him in Jerry (Jandl's) room, whilst listening to those superb Lancasters. Based on the comments we were both making, I suspect that Tony and I share similar priorities on how music is best reproduced ;)
Some nice pics from the gear used in the AoS room:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/6028228...7626214821530/ - SPU doing the biz on the Techy, with nice shot of Mike New platter.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/6028228...7626214821530/
- Nick's wonderful Nagra.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/6028228...7626214821530/ - MusicWorks mains block and Mark Grant Furutech-modded DSP.2.5s (both were essential to how the system sounded, speakers aside! ;))
http://www.flickr.com/photos/6028228...7626214821530/ - Copper amp, Croft preamp, TD mains filter (also essential, for an 'ancillary item', to how the system sounded) and the superb SR5 PSU, for the Techy.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/6028228...7626214821530/ - Tweeter and midrange unit of Celestions.
Nice YouTube vid here, too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcRLunWK_bE
Right, I'm off to empty the car, reassemble my system, and once I've finished all that, I'll offer my thoughts on some of the rooms I visited :cool:
Marco.
Hi Marco
Well i think the location is a bit too inconvenient for most, i decided in the end not to go mainly due to the coast £100+, nearly 7 hours travelling in whole.Public transport there is a joke, if it were on a Saturday it would be much easier & no doubt many many more would attend, i still say it's in the wrong place for many, the place is a nightmare to get round anyway.
Fond memories of Ditton 66's. My mates dad had a pair and we played them within an inch of their lives at many a party during our late teens and early twenties. They played very loud with a huge warm sound for many relentless hours at a time, really great fun. I guess my first real intro to hifi.
By comparison, another mates dad had a Naim system with Epos speakers. It had more detail etc, but was plain boring in comparison.
Wish I could have been there to hear them, fair dues to you for taking them.
Well, I had a fab time, a great day on Sunday and a really nice evening on the Saturday - albeit we were up til 3am, which I paid for on the Sunday morning!
I didn't get round many of the rooms, but got to say hello to a few people and meet some of our members, which was great, and what Scalford is all about first and foremost!
I was very pleased with the sound we got in our room, and really pleased that my Nagra acquitted itself well and allowed the rest of the system to shine though. I thought our sound was definitely the result of all the parts coming together, rather than any single element.
We even had a cable revelation (we always do!) when one of Mark Grant's IEC leads was swapped in instead of my scavenged kettle lead on the Nagra... cue wider soundstage and even more loveliness. I certainly wasn't expecting that!
It was great to say hello to Adam (Beobloke), Jerry, Philip (Baron), Mark (Reid M), Alex (UK) and all the others who took the time to have a chat. I wish I'd heard more of the other systems. What I did hear was excellent - Bigdur's home-built horns - wow - Robin's Lancasters (later used by Jerry) - fantastic, LindsayT - loved the EMT! - and Adam's lovely gear, both turntables I heard were fab, and the Metallica was great too!
I'd like to stake a claim for the scariest music of the show... Venetian Snares + Speedranch 'Fire Beats' off 'Making Orange Things'. Steve (Toy) likened it to his degauss CD. I like to think it had slightly more rhythm than that, but he wasn't far wrong ;)
You don't get to hear that at your traditional hi-fi show :)
Nice one, Martin! :)
I'd defo like to use your Techy (and perhaps also your amps?) as it would be good to demo a non-valve system for a change, and one with huge reserves of power, which I think the Celestions would respond very well to.
Don't worry, your Ushers will be staying put!! :eek: :eyebrows:
Marco.
Phew, thought you were going to ask for them too. Yes to the amps, it would be good to show off some solid state gear (and justify my byline).
One practical question: what's the security like at the show? Is there always someone manning the room?
Those Ushers have a lot of weight to them
With 30kg of lead shot in the compartments, they weight about 160kg each.
Indeed - after all, AoS isn't about 'The Art of Valves'. It's about how to create a really good sound using both valves and solid-state equipment, and your kit is amongst the best of the breed I've heard, so I think it's time others had the pleasure of listening to it :)Quote:
Phew, thought you were going to ask for them too. Yes to the amps, it would be good to show off some solid state gear (and justify my byline).
Also, given what I've learned about the Celestions when being used in a big room (certainly much bigger than mine), I think they'd sound stunning on the end of your amps.
Next year I'll also request that we get Syndicate 5, as it is a good room, but I also know how to better optimise the speaker/room interaction next time, so watch this space ;)
Well, you're given a key to lock the room on the Saturday night once the system is set-up, and on the day of the show we always make sure that there are at least two of us in the room at any one time watching the kit.Quote:
One practical question: what's the security like at the show? Is there always someone manning the room?
However, you need to make sure that your own insurance covers any potential damage or theft of the gear you bring, as no-one else can accept liability, which is what I do.
This is the third year we've done it now, and there have been no problems, so just make sure that your insurance covers things, but it's very doubtful that anything untoward would happen :cool:
Marco.
Yup - it usually takes me just a few minutes to get irritated by the Tannoy Treble ... yesterday it took me most of the day. Those Lancasters suffered far less from that issue than most I have heard. But tbh, by about 3 in the pm what I perceive as typical Tannoy whispy whistly graininess was becoming troublesome to me.
I just can't get me 'ead round that one, I'm afraid. :scratch:
And I could do with more transparency and tactile presence to the sound.
And the bass was a bit loose and boomy when provoked ... but I guess I could blame the room for that one.
But the sound was very nice overall, and lots of folks clearly love them, so that's fine. It would be a boring old world if we were all the same, wouldn't it! :)
Hi Jerry,
No worries - I totally agree with you. It's defo a case of 'different strokes for different folks', but I also like to learn where others are coming from, as in many cases the way other people listen can identify things that previously you weren't aware of, and which can sometimes be useful.
In that respect, next time we must listen to Tannoys together, so you can point out where the "whispy whistly graininess" is, which I don't seem able to hear.Quote:
I just can't get me 'ead round that one, I'm afraid.
Of course, ALL speakers are coloured to some degree, so with Tannoys, I supect it's simply a case of you identifying an annoying (to you) coloration which my ears ignore and factor in as part of their 'addictive musicality'.
However, at the end of the day, it's all subjective. Anyway, congrats on making some nice sounds! :cool:
Marco.
Speak as I find, it was nice to have a quick chat with the AOS lads again this year on the Sat night, I missed checking your room out this year as mainly I was paranoid about leaving my kit with the grubby handed public. I did hear back some positive reviews though so well done, sorry one of your members didn't enjoy my horns, ''all boom and tizz'' apparently, well goes to show how different our tastes are and makes the hobby better for it IMO.
Nick, always a pleasure to chat with you, maybe next year you lot can come have a beer and curry with us? You never know you might enjoy it.
A few members off other forums have mentioned without being prompted how good the AOS room was. The only thing that spoilt it I was told was that damn make up brush under the techie...:lol:
Na it was this, looks like someone got too excited :lolsign:
Lol - indeed. A wee spillage during a moment of aural excitement (yes, that was "aural" not oral.... :eyebrows:)
Hi Jack,
Always nice to chat to you - and this time yer arse was behaving itself, too! :eyebrows: ;)Quote:
Speak as I find, it was nice to have a quick chat with the AOS lads again this year on the Sat night, I missed checking your room out this year as mainly I was paranoid about leaving my kit with the grubby handed public. I did hear back some positive reviews though so well done, sorry one of your members didn't enjoy my horns, ''all boom and tizz'' apparently, well goes to show how different our tastes are and makes the hobby better for it IMO.
Nick, always a pleasure to chat with you, maybe next year you lot can come have a beer and curry with us? You never know you might enjoy it.
Would love to go for a curry with you guys, but the problem is, finding the time to fit it in! By the time I've packed the car and driven down there, unpacked it all and set-up the system, it's usually after midnight! :rolleyes:
You guys are either better organised, have less gear to set up, and/or live closer to the venue.... ;)
Loved your system playing (Duke Ellington?) - the dynamic range of those horns was incredible, and so any acoustic instruments, particularly trumpets and sax sounded amazingly life-like. 'Conventional' speakers simply can't do this.
However, the price you pay for such dynamic impact and immediacy, is that horns don't always reproduce other types of music so well, which is what I think some people picked up on. I'd totally disagree with the "all boom and tizz" remark, as that simply wasn't the case with the right music.
The other thing is, cabinets aside, you designed them yourself, so mucho respecto!!
I also loved the Lenco/12" Jelco (Shelter 501?) combo, which showed exactly why I rate all three items - the Lenco, in particular, being an amazing bargain, when mounted in a suitable plinth. It was very musical sounding and enjoyable indeed, so well done! :cool:
More comments later.
Marco.
Meanwhile some more pics of the AoS room, courtesy of Pete (i should coco):
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Marco.
Sure that drip in the bass driver is not as a result of excessive driving / melting of the coil former?
Someones varnished em by the looks of it
It's simply the damping material applied to the cone which has gradually flowed over the millenia :eyebrows:
:D Ok then 40 years or so... Even glass flows over the years ;)
Hi Mark,
Nice to have met you, dude! So what were your thoughts on the system and the show as a whole? :)
Marco.
thoroughly enjoyed this years show. even tho the much heralded amatis weighing a collossal amount were good to hear the aos room was one of the best and i could have stayed there for longer . i guessed it was an aos room by the multiplicity of mark grant dsp cables and of course mains cables r us
papa lazarou`s obx were sounding marvelous as usual with the kondo preamp
all the snells sounded good and what a privelige to hear 3 sets of snells in one day
dr rock really had me going with his choice of music and his apogees and his modded arcam cd player was a joy as well
met quite a few lost souls and had to direct,, perhaps next year we should have strategically placed direction finders to guide folks who were a fair bit nonplussed
I would be really interested in hearing Alex (UK) opinion of the systems he listened to, particularly with regard to system cost v performance.
(my calculator is on smoking just from inputting the approximate costs of the kit in the pictures :eyebrows:)
Well looky here Andr'e... Nearly a drippy drippy, though the other cone has none & the grilles had never been removed before i bought them ;)
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Might have been a heavy application of goop on a Friday afternoon after a visit to a pub ;)
Why the grille removal?
Oh I know, some audiophool idea about the sound being better sans grilles :D
Na i think thats just excess glue from the dust cap fix :)
With the grills attached we wouldnt be having this intresting convo regarding a possible DIY varnish application instead of bullshyte 'i love this & that system', so it's good to remove grills imho :lolsign:
Hi Marco
I was about to post exactly the same thing!
We are as one. :cool:
I'm not sure there's much point in me pointing out to you the particular errors I hear Tannoys making ... I've tried that sort of thing before. ... I actually pointed with my finger - "Look, there it is ..." :doh:
It didn't help much. :lol:
Anyway - suppose I succeeded - would you actually want me to spoil your enjoyment of the Tannoy sound? :scratch:
Yup, thanks Marco. A lot of folks really enjoyed the music making in my room. Top result! :)
... Come to think of it, I enjoyed it too! ... the Tannoys just wouldn't be a speaker I could live with over the medium term.
Oh yes, we had an all you can eat buffet and taxi for £20 a head. Top banana.
Thats what this smiley was made for :carrot:
(Actually it's a carrot, but nevermind!)