Mike, I wouldn't be worried as one person has had it connected to the top right for 2 years with no problems so I think some could be making a mountain out of a mole-hill I suspect.
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Mike, I wouldn't be worried as one person has had it connected to the top right for 2 years with no problems so I think some could be making a mountain out of a mole-hill I suspect.
Dave,
It is not a case of mountains out of mole hills, if he has had it connected that way for 2 years, then just maybe he has been missing out for two years on a better sound experience!!!
Rather, what upsets me is the plethora of uniformed advice, which does nothing for the the technically uniformed who wish to obtain the maximum out of the equipment they have spent their expendible income on.
The point is that it should never have been connected that way in the first place.
Howz it going mate, I'm still smarting from the cricket :(, my old school 11 in WA could have done better :doh: I have had both the Cawley recommended connection point as per instructions with my TS HE+ PSU and latterly reconnecting to the lower left of circuit board where it shall remain coz I'm buggered if I want to faff anymore on this particular aspect. Hand on heart MikeO, I really could not detect any diff in worthwhile performance. The way I see it is that two similarly equipped decks, viz: MN bearing etc., a Shuggie arm collar but just the one Jelco 750D and cartridge swapped between the two decks should be used to discern the performance difference if any? I have a feeling that quite a number of people would be hard put to detect any performance difference one way or the other? From the safety angle there is only a correct and a wrong earth point ;) and I'm sticking with lower left.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike_New
Ron
To many who are really "close" to their hobby, a small difference (if at all) can become magnified by extreme enthusiasm - been there and done it myself. No need for anyone to beat themselves up about it.
If lower left is deemed the "best" place, then so be it, but I must admit the comments made about the star earthing track on the board should be taken note of and used accordingly for lowest noise.
Agree with all of that! It is indeed "best practice" and poss one of those things that may or may not make a large difference but will definitely add up to something with other small best practice changes....Quote:
Originally Posted by DSJR
Guys,
Is there anything else one can do to make these babies sound better, took dust cover off from underneath the platter, wired PSU up with Kimber PBJ cable and earthed to correct point, took out old PSU and mains board, Isonoe feet on, all lights dis-abled, apart from platter and bearing what else is there to do if anything? Ignore arm and cart as that is being investigated. Oh I forgot, fit better mains power lead to PSU and a better fuse (I shit you not it works) , any ideas peeps?
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Try spinning a record on it :lolsign:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mains Cables R Us
:exactly::gig:
Trans-Fi arm!
Maybe but its so bloody ugly?
Who cares? It's how it sounds that matters. Anyway, I think it looks pretty good.
What about the Wife Acceptability Factor (WAF) that has to play a major part for a lot of us! Plus its too bloody expensive! Anyone got one they can lend me for a trial then?
If you've already got the deck sitting in your living room, how much difference is the arm sitting on it going to make?
Expensive? Perhaps, but from the times I've heard it, It's a bargain at the price IMHO.
It's in my workshop so I suppose it dunt matter what it looks like, fair point, would rather have an SME thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Ali Tait
The TecnoArm looks pretty good on it, David.
It's the biz mate, only problem the lid won't go on as the weight at the back sticks out too much!Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinT
Hopefully I have an SME lined up and intend to out the TecnoArm on my new Garrard 401 with slate plinth, what say you?
Dunno what Martin says, but I say you've got it pretty bad, dude! I reckon any increased business you've had from joining here has been spent tenfold with our bad influences! :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mains Cables R Us
Hi David , knock out a few more of those oyaide's and perhaps a Furutech or two and you will have an SME in no time ' me old china:)
There's a couple of things that i'm trying but still in the process of determining if they have improved the sound of the 1210. The first thing i tried was to isolate the isonon feet even further with 6mm of sorbothane under each foot, i did notice an improvement but it was small. It was when I placed similar amounts of sorbothane under my amp and phonostage that the improvement improved even further still. I noticed that I could "see" further into the record, I could hear the musicians "cueing" up just before they started playing. The biggest surprise came when I listened to Iron Maiden's Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner, I'd owned that record over 20 years and for the first time in thousands of plays I heard a passage of rain fall that I had never heard before! :eek::eek: You could try and have your technoarm terminated with Eichmann silver bullets rather than the silver coated Michell alternatives (i did this and noticed an increased edge and incision to the music, more visceral, if you like that sort of stuff). Have you tried mains filtration? I should imagine that this is right up your street?? I've made a "sorbothane" bed for the technics PCB to sit on, the idea being that it stops vibrations getting through to the bearing and the PCB itself. I've only just installed this so I have no idea if it works or not, probably not!!! Have you got the VTA, etc set up correctly on your Technoarm?? I looked at my system a few weeks ago and wondered how I could improve it, my answer was to listen to how my system sounded and then fine tune it. My next purchase is going to be the Adjust+ software, this is 249 euros but it works out a lot cheaper than a bearing, platter, power supply replacement. Hope these ideas stimulate you a little (oo-er missus)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mains Cables R Us
thanks for the comprehensive reply, I am concerned that the vta is not set properly, is there something apart from a ruler and the naked eye to use? also is there anything else on the pcb that can be taken off to improve things? ta
I'd say you've got it bad! I don't really know the 401 well enough to comment, having only heard them at shows.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mains Cables R Us
As for VTA, it's best to experiment by ear. You can use a little bubble level on the headshell but dead level doesn't guarantee the best sound. Try it a little tail high and then tail low and you will hear which is best. The angle that the stylus is glued to the cantilever varies from sample to sample, so the best VTA will vary.
REga style arms have always partnered Garrards well, but I don't know what a slate plinth will bring to the mix - I've usually recommended wood derived laminates such as the excellent Martin Bastin plinths of yore, or a paving slab supported in a very stout frame using chair webbing as support...
Will's 401 sounds amazing in it's two tier slate plinth.
One of the best sounds at last year's Owston meet (although Lurcher's amp and Will's OBs had some small part to play ;) )
I've also heard another 401 in a single tier slate plinth, this time with a Michell Technoarm, and that too sounded superb.
The 401 does sound superb, but it's the reduction of motor and drive related noise that's the key with these I found, otherwise it's all ballistic with no subtlety.
Let's put it this way - there's no lack of subtlety with either of the slate plinthed 401s that I've heard.
Something I've not yet heard, and would like to, is Nick's (Lurcher) SP10, which has a slate plinth. Maybe some day.....
the VTA was my concern when I had your configuration and I must say that I was also concerned that I didnt quite have the VTA set up properly, now I have the V I dont have those problems, if you go down the route of getting the 309 you'll also be able to change the VTA very easily. With regards to how to set the VTA i'm afraid it's trail and error which can be very frustrating but the main shaft of the tonearm needs to be perfectly horizontal which means your going to have to play with the counter weight at the rear of the technoarm. Make sure you have the correct counter weight applied to the tonearm as Michelle supply several, compare this with the mass of your cartridge. Most people adjust VTA simply by eye, or more commonly by ear. You'll have to adjust a little, then listen, adjust a little more, listen again etc etc. Thats why I want the Adjust+ software it should "in theory" enable correct VTA setup. Your TT looks the dogs bollocks mate :respect:
I've experimented a lot with a 301 with many, many variations of CLD plinths as well as skeletal. It was a lot of work over a year. I got a sound that was pretty good. Then I dropped the 301 into a slate plinth. It was way better, I wish I'd started from that point and saved myself a year's work.Quote:
Originally Posted by DSJR
I've heard Nick's deck before and after the slate plinth. Sounded great before, but the slate plinth took it to a whole new level. Stunning is the word I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stratmangler
I am going to get an mdf plinth just to get it up and running and then a slate one later, I am too far behind with orders to carry on faffing about with TT's!
The 401 looks practically brand new underneath, all the metal is pristine in condition.
An old thread :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
But may I know whether the Oyaide PA-2075 DR cable is with straight or 90 ° connector ??
Gr. Johan
It has a straight connector.
Thank you. I'm interrested in the same combination. sl1200 , Jelco 750 , Oyaide 2075............Therefore, the question.Quote:
Originally Posted by kininigin
Gr. Johan
And the next question. :scratch:Quote:
Originally Posted by Johan
Can you use with this combination a Zu103 cartridge ?
Or is the Zu too heavy for the 750 and you're better with a Denon 103R??
Gr. Johan
Should be an ideal match,as far as i can tell.You may have to buy the heavier counter weight though!!
ok thanks, again.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by kininigin
A good start I think. Mike New Bearing ordered , next month a jelco750 and Oyiade 2075DR cable and perhaps the Zu cartridge.............. I still consider the Oyaide headshell HSTF.
Gr. Johan
With those items in place,you will have a very fine deck imo.
I'm considering the Denon cart myself next year,so will be interested in your findings,as your deck will be virtually the same as mine!!
...........I have an empty wallet.Quote:
Originally Posted by kininigin