Richard's hi-fi ranting 'Room 101'

Indeed.

I was lucky with the Yaqin, though, because I got to hear it in my system before buying it, as Ian Walker had already bought one himself. Therefore there was no real risk.

I can say categorically that I would not have ordered one had I not heard Ian's first!

One thing this shows is the superb quality of products, particularly valve amps, coming out of China now at frankly ridiculous prices - witness the Mr Liang, Yaqin, and Puresound (in its original form).

UK manufacturers - be afraid, be very afraid...

Marco.

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Originally Posted by Steve Toy

Ali, you were a lucky, lucky man who wasn't taking any financial risk. This is not really what Richard advocates. He expects us to save 40% on a few grand and risk buying a dog.

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Your being bloody daft, there is no risk, send it back if don't like it. If Chinese the price you got it for just put it up at ebay and sell it on.

There are large numbers of hi-fi enthusiasts now who refuse to buy new, ebay and forum classifieds has provided them with bargains to try and if no like sell on, it is fun and you get to hear lots of kit and compare it. Jerry is the arch proponent of this, but many many more do it. Do they need retailers - no. Do they need magazines and reveiwers - no. Do they need marketing men - no. Do they need the community at ebay and the forums - yes.

This is now an established market of a size approaching or exceeding the new shop built market, just look at ebay. It is just another step for new product to follow the same course, and the pioneers are now doing it, it has started with cable and is moving on and the Chinese valve amps are one element of this.

You keep using ad hominem and personally insulting me, I presume you think and probably will get away with it because you are admin so not subject to your own rules. There is nothing bitter and twisted in my advice, posts or suggestions, it is basically a no brainer, that doesn't appeal to people with obviously less than no brains to see it.

This is the future - smell the coffee.

Might I be so bold to suggest that you are just a weeny teensy weency bit obsessed with 'dissing' dealers, though, Richard? You might not realise it but it's coming through ever so slightly in your posts ;)

Marco.

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Originally Posted by Marco

Indeed.

I was lucky with the Yaqin, though, because I got to hear it in my system before buying it, as Ian Walker had already bought one himself. Therefore there was no real risk.

I can say categorically that I would not have ordered one had I not heard Ian's first!

One thing this shows is the superb quality of products, particularly valve amps, coming out of China now at frankly ridiculous prices - witness the Mr Liang, Yaqin, and Puresound (in its original form).

UK manufacturers - be afraid, be very afraid...

Marco.

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And this also shows the benefit of community as you got to hear it, then people get to hear yours. It is the first who took the risk, the rest is about friendship and community, not panicking agressive slurpers as you are seeing here with the retailers and marketers posting to try and defend the indefensible.

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Originally Posted by Marco

Might I be so bold to suggest that you are just a weeny teensy weency bit obsessed with 'dissing' dealers, though, Richard? It's coming through ever so slightly in your posts ;)

Marco.

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Not in the slightest they are but one of my rants, but they and their apologists keep arguing with me so I keep replying. There have been far more of my posts here anti marketing men, are you telling me I am also obsessed with Ash :lolsign:

Another of my rants is forum list owners, does that mean I am obsessed with you sweety :mental:

Oh dear, someone else telling me about the brave new world we are moving into. :rolleyes:

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Jerry is the arch proponent of this, but many many more do it

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Ah yes, these unrepentant box-swappers! Other than the fun of chasing bargains, that to be fair they can and usually sell on at no loss, I do sometimes wonder why they do it.

Fun as it may be, I think you are very lucky indeed if you hit musical nirvana by this method. Also, it wouldn't bode well for the future of the industry if everyone did this.

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You keep using ad hominem and personally insulting me, I presume you think and probably will get away with it because you are admin so not subject to your own rules. There is nothing bitter and twisted in my advice, posts or suggestions, it is basically a no brainer, that doesn't appeal to people with obviously less than no brains to see it.

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I'm not insulting you by stating that you may have sour grapes and be b&t, but you are quite correct in that as admin I can be a little more candid in expressing my viewpoint but then I'm not prone to losing my temper or insinuating stupidity.

Why push your luck?

Yes, but in my instance it was just sheer luck that I got to hear the Yaqin first before buying it. It was almost like fate...

I take your point about bake-offs, Richard, but with respect to others, attending such events other than for the social aspect (and I'm all for that, incidentally) would be largely pointless for me. As an exercise in which to judge equipment the benefit is moot because of the effects of an unfamiliar room and unfamiliar system.

The *only* way I ever make conclusive judgements on equipment and proceed to purchase is when I have heard said equipment at my leisure in the comfort of my home with my own music. I simply would not buy hi-fi equipment or ancillaries new, or even second-hand (unless I'd thoroughly researched the item(s) in question) under any other circumstances.

Marco.

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Oh dear, someone else telling me about the brave new world we are moving into. :rolleyes:



Ah yeshese unrepentant box-swappers! Other than the fun of chasing bargains, that to be fair they can and usually sell on at no loss, I do sometimes wonder why they do it.

Fun as it may be, I think you are very lucky indeed if you hit musical nirvana by this method. Also, it wouldn't bode well for the future of the industry if everyone did this.



I'm not insulting you by stating that you may have sour grapes and be b&t, but you are quite correct in that as admin I can be a little more candid in expressing my viewpoint but then I'm not prone to losing my temper.

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Nonsense you are sitting there like a red faced little devil with steam coming out of you ears, it is written all over your posts.

And you are far more likely to find musical nirvana this way than relying on retailers and magazines and reviewers. But human nature always says the grass may be greener on the other side of the hill, so the fun continues.

Bode well for the industry, well if in your opinion the industry is the slurpers then no it doesn't thank goodness. If you mean the guys that design and make and the guys that use, then hell yes. The industry is coming home.

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Not in the slightest they are but one of my rants...

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Ok. Can we please pretty please with bells on have a different rant now, sweety?

You wouldn't want anyone to think you were some bitter twisted old man now, would you? :ner:

Clue: there's a subliminal message somewhere in there! ;)

Marco.