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Precisely...
In fact, the effect is so "subtle" (I would refer more accurately to it as 'deceivingly unobtrusive', until exposed), that you were largely unaware of it until uncle Marco came down and demonstrated it, lol. That was a rather enlightening day, in various ways, if you remember! :)
Marco.
Absolutely. I appreciate the point. And that ability is related to inertia not mass. But the discussion had simplified itself down into "heavy platters cause the motor a problem which can be heard" and I was going with the flow :)Quote:
Originally Posted by YNWaN
yawn..lets move on now :)
As ever with anything 'hifi' if one chooses to strike out on a quest to upgrade, the journey will highlight subtle textural differences in the reproduction of music as one seeks to improve individual elements within a system. Often these differences are positive but occasionally they can also be negative. What cannot be denied is that any perceived improvement (or otherwise) in musical reproduction is intimate to the individual concerned and it is he or she who is the final arbiter. This is why there are such a diversity of products available as the various manufacturers and developers know this to be the case. The discerning audiophile will never tolerate a 'catch all' solution because their appreciation of music goes beyond the norm and on into subtleties of timbre. My apologies if this seems a little pompous, it is not meant to be.
If that's pompous, then bring on the Piat d'Or.Quote:
Originally Posted by synsei
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arthur
I wouldn't presume to comment about pompous. I will indulge in another hand-wringing bout of angst about the shift in the market away from dealers. Nothing wrong with the principle, except htf do you get to audition stuff? Before you pipe up Marco, why did a serious buyer and loyal forum member like Al end up buying a platter blind instead of having the chance to dem them? Who is going to lend me a Dynavector 20-2, Ortofon Cadenza Black and Blue, Shelter 5000, and one of Paul's tasty Reffc cartridges to evaluate. Ultimately i am seriously in the market for a good cartridge - but I don't rule out the possibility that my needle from Arizona will be the cartridge of choice. So what does the discerning audiophile do about that? :(Quote:
Originally Posted by synsei
No. You'd better not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldpinkman
I'm looking forward to a decent Penfolds (prefer a Rioja) next Tuesday.
OK. P. d'Or it is. Blue Nun? Either way, by the end a blunt G800 will sound just fine.
We'll get in trouble if we have too much of a private love-in on here, but I would note I know someone with a DV20-2 who won't lend it because its a virgin! About the only virgin I've ever known at your gaff mate! See you tuesday, and as I recall it was your round! :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkArt
No one dems cartridges as they are effectively 2nd hand then, they look at reviews, research the best product for their application, if lucky enough to find a good dealer who send things out "on trust" great, if not buy it and use the distance selling regulations to send it back if it's no good for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldpinkman
Many websites sell boxes, the owners don't even have hi-fi systems at home, those with 100's of different brands who don't really care about what the customer wants or needs they just shift boxes, other sites with a small number of carefully chosen brands who care about what they sell and are obsessive about hi-fi and their customers, then there are all the ones in between the 2 I have highlighted.
I would guess Al ordered a platter because A. he can afford it B. he has read others have got one and like it C. he is an obsessive tinkerer who likes his toys (like a lof of us)
I'm interested to hear the results on a platter "bake off" as I have one listed on the upgrade path, even though it won't be realised for a while. There is the bearing and tonearm to be done first.....