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Originally Posted by allthingsanalogue
The more I listen to the AT33ptg/II the more I reckon its seriously good vfm. It's has extremely low levels of surface noise but super, super detailed. I can easily hear backing vocals and subtle levels of detail in some ways better than the Delos.
For example I'm now playing 'Craig David's - Slicker Than You're Average' and I'm hearing backing vocals and other various instruments I can honestly say I've never noticed, and I'm not even trying?
I've got it loaded at 100 ohms and on max gain at 66dB as it's half the output of the Lyra at 0.3mv. It must have great synergy with the Sl1200.
This combo at less than £3k, £2.5k for tt and £435 for cart is seriously, seriously good and not just another Technics. For example, on my old SL1210mk5g if you tapped the plinth you would get feedback through the speakers but not here, it's totally dead.
I would go as far to say that this is better than any deck I've heard around this money and possibly beyond. High praise indeed. It just makes music without worrying about belts, springs etc and I'm using in totally stock form, even the basic RCA interconnects and YES it's totally speed stable.
Bugger! I can hear even more stuff I've never noticed before, I'll go and bang my head against a wall now. :brickwall:
Just wait for the new one now......
Lol - what did I tell you at the beginning of this journey, about once you 'tune into' what the Technics does well...? Just try listening to your Linn now! ;)
The current AT-33PTG (and its predecessor) are indeed excellent cartridges, and as you say veritable 'high-end giant killers', simply because they do the filigree detailing and 'sparkly highs', synonymous with the very best MCs, and also like those sound very refined, but at a much lower price (simply because of economies of scale). I do rate them.
However, that said, AT cartridges, in general, aren't really my thing. It's just personal taste. I find them a little too 'clean' sounding, a touch bright (not in an immediately obvious sense, but that they've been voiced to accentuate the mids and highs), and lean in the bass. As a result, in the wrong system, they can come across as a little too 'hi-fi sounding', and lack 'soul' [coincidentally, I find Lyras the same in that respect].
It's simply the AT 'house sound', as I've owned and heard loads of them over the years, and although individually different, all exhibit those core traits. Denon cartridges [and indeed all others] also have their 'house sound' (and balance of virtues), and it's quite different from that of ATs...
If I were to pop my DL-S1 onto the end of your arm, and let you compare it directly with your AT, you'd hear "exactly* where I was coming from. However, worry not about that just now, and enjoy what you have, which you're clearly doing. In the meantime, I hope that your replacement T/T arrives ASAP, and this tme functions faultlessly :cool:
Marco.
SL100G feet.
A totally different beast to the feet of old. 283g each!
They are machined from metal, not magnetic so not steel but too heavy for aluminium so maybe brass?
https://i.imgur.com/iKOgVjL.jpg
https://youtu.be/ImPy8Jmz5MY
Thanks Marco.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
Hoping it will be here soon. I like the clean sound if the AT cart and can only imagine it's going to get better and better.
Direct drive ceratinly has advantges, I notice fast transinents in the music tend to better presented and this allows very fine details to be heard.
Keep you posted, my 2nd deck is being collected today.
New amp here, perfect. Not even warm.
What amp did you get Andrew . I'm just being too lazy to look back this thread :)
Yamaha AS-3000!Quote:
Originally Posted by brian2957
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Looks terrible Andrew , I think you should put it back in its box and send it straight to me and I'll put it on the bottom rung of my rack :eyebrows:
Absolutely gorgeous mate , and a suitable partner for the turntable which I hope you get sorted soon :)
Thanks mate. It sounds as good as it looks.:cheers:Quote:
Originally Posted by brian2957
And the phono stage is superb, no loading options but it gives my Black Cube SEII a run for it's money.
I like the Meters. I know that's gonna cause outrage but each to their own. Lovely.
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Outrage, they're essential!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigman80
Love Japanese, (ok Made In Malyasia) kit.
[emoji23]Quote:
Originally Posted by allthingsanalogue
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Meters are for schoolboys!! :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigman80
No! Meters are for romantics. Beautiful things they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by walpurgis
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I have to agree with the love for meters. Quality, well-executed ones, such as those on the Yamaha, look simply gorgeous - especially when they're illuminated at night in a darkened room :)
You surprise me, Geoff, as meters on 'retro' Jap amps are pretty much considered as de rigueur!
Nice one on the Yammie, Andrew. Glad that the replacement seems fine. I love its looks. All that would concern me is whether its a triumph of style over substance, and so I'd have to listen to it to find that out.
Enjoy! :cool:
Marco.
It's definitely not style over substance. It's been on for about 10 hours today and I can honestly say it's by far, the best amp I've not only owned but pretty much heard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
The bass is superb, The control is incredible, very nimble with extremely high levels of detail but without being harsh or in your face, it has an almost holographic sound stage. It's just so open but doesn't draw attention to less than perfect recordings. Mid range is wonderful.
If you've read the WHF review my only advice is to just ignore it. This is a serious piece of kit and not what you would expect from a 'generic brand'.
I love it.
That's great news!!! Ignore what you read if it makes you happy!!!! Looks the balls anyway [emoji6]
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+1, indeed :)
It would've been rather disappointing otherwise, as the amp looks utterly fab, although perhaps not quite up to the standard of vintage Accuphase, in that respect:
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/922/LdkNrM.jpg
Oh, and I'm glad to see that Technics have improved the (shockingly piss-poor) feet on the original SL-1200 with something that certainly looks much better. All you need to do now is fit an Achromat, as unfortunately they're still supplying their £3k T/T with a rubber mat, which is equally as piss-poor!! ;)
Amyway, enjoy :cool:
Marco.
There can't be much in it, reckon the Yammy's got the edge!
E-305http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KZlrUzr09V...305-12-big.jpg
A-S3000
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I sympathise with the OP having to return two turntables & hope he will be third time lucky, but if you look at Technics own video about the renaissance of this iconic table and the fact that they had to drag out of retirement the older workers they could find & the latter in their turn had to train new assemblers & technical staff, who were unacquainted with this technology, I am not surprised some of the early tables show problems.
After all, even if based on an existing design this is effectively a new product.
Personally I always try and wait a year or two before purchasing in order to let the early glitches get sorted.
Great to see a Jap amp, at last, fitted with quality RCAs, and especially, binding posts! Plus a proper mains inlet, to facilitate the use of a decent mains lead, instead of the shitty-thin captive 'liquorice stick', posing as a mains lead, normally supplied! :)
Marco.
Agreed!Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
If you're ever in my neck of the woods give me a shout.
No worries, will do - and likewise! :cool:
Marco.
I know what you mean. Many people look at the 1200G and think it's just the 1210 relaunched, they just don't get that it's a totally new product but a better product. My new deck will be here in about 3 weeks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tea24
I look forward to your report once you have it up & running & I hope no problems this time.
The thing I like best about that Yammy amp is the fact it has tone controls.
And no, I'm not joking :D
Definitly! And when they are in the centre they are defeated, a relay clicks in when you adjust them, nice touch.Quote:
Originally Posted by keiron99
Tone controls were frowned upon by the British Hifi crowd but they're okay now as the new PMC Cor amp has them!
Looks like my 1200G will be here soon!:D
Hopefully the 3rd one will be dead silent.
Now - I'm scratching my head at some comments you made earlier. You feel the G bests the M5G. I'd like to now how? From my understanding your M5G was heavily modded. Are you saying the G sounds better? Didn't you replace the arm? If that is the case then that is not at all part of the M5G. That only leads to speed stability - are you saying that you can actually hear more stable speed?
There is absolutely nothing wrong with preferring the G over the M5G aesthetically - but I refuse to believe soundwise and speedwise the G beats it (and noticeably.)
I think the G is nice - but I'm quite happy with the M5G and believe it is the most beautiful of the sl1200 line. I think the G is beautiful as well and has some really cool new features - but these features are primarily to appease the audiophile reviewer (Fremer) and really do nothing to make the great deck better.
I think Marco visits regularly , You have lots of sheep in Norfolk dont you ? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by allthingsanalogue
Allthings analogue, I take it your 1200G has now arrived but you are so busy listening to it that you have no time to post!
I hope this is the case and that you had a wonderful Christmas playing all your favourite discs and that finally you have a good one.
If so, can you let us have the low down on your thoughts?
Sorry, yes. Been busy with Xmas and been ill!
Deck is superb, the only thing though, it needs a Delos! I took the Delos crom my Sondek, just to try it out you understand! Bad move. It sounded phenomenal! Really dymamic, amazing levels of detail and really sublime bass to die for! You can really hear the direct drive motor keeping the rythym and tempo alive!!
Interesting post to read through.
Hope replacement is OK.
The "bad luck" I have had last year with NEW kit is amazing: QAcoustics broken tweeter, Arcam DAC making noise, Marantz CD player with broken headphone socket, Cambridge Audio Amp with broken relays.
Quality Control is not what it used to be - we never had these problems in the past.
We certainly didn't!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lerxst
Lol.... Good stuff. I did tell you that at the very beginning, and what would likely happen if you compared it to your Sondek, which I now expect to see in the classifieds, sooner rather than later ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by allthingsanalogue
Marco.
Hope you had a good xmas and happy new year to you Marco.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
Yeah baby, now we're on fire! Achromat not arrived yet!!!
This is serious vinyl replay.
https://i.imgur.com/lauKzGY.jpg
Achromat looks lovely.
Luckily you don't need the Technics version with the lip on for the 1200G or GAE so that saves a few quid!
Just waiting now for my new Delos, the other one's back on the Linn!
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These are going for £1199 at my local Richer Sounds in Manchester, tempted each time I walk past it.
Hi Andrew, I have the same Achromat here which I ordered a while back but havnt been able to try out yet.
I am looking to try it and an acrylic mat I also purchased.
Be interested in your thoughts on the Achromat :)
That will be 1200GR.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yomanze
You've probably seen the 1200GR for that price, not the 1200G.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yomanze
Oops!, beaten to it!
Main reason i initally bought it is to solve the VTA Issue. The later Technics decks only seem to go down, even on the lowest arm height setting to about 17mm at a push with the supllied 2.5mm rubber mat. With a Jelco Headshel it's getting on for 20mm, so yoy either need a shim or a thicker mat. Luckily the achromat is exremely well reviewed and also 5mm thick allowing almost any cart to be used without a shim.Quote:
Originally Posted by RobbieGong
I do have carbon fibre shim bought from a seller in Germany from ebay that is 2.7mm thick but don't know if it messes up the sound or not?
Thanks for the clarification gents, thread title caught my eye, but still, some very good deals!
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Well I couldn't wait, i pinched the Delos back from the Linn.
It sounds absolutely incredible. It's probably less analogue sounding than the Linn but it has serious detail, I mean 'HUGE'! Think the best sounding digital source you've ever heard and multiply it by a factor of 100x with an analogue flavour.
What I find incredible is you can really follow what people are singing, like all the words. Noise floor is so low I had to check the stylus was on the record or wired up correctly.
So as you can imagine, I like it, a lot.
https://i.imgur.com/blv2oqw.jpg
I'll defo be doing an evaluation then of the stock mat, Acrylic and Achromat when I'm able to do so, which hoepfully wont be too long now ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by allthingsanalogue
Well, with the 2.5mm supplied rubber mat against the Achromat, the whole soundstage collapses.
Yer but yer but its a DJ deck :DQuote:
Originally Posted by allthingsanalogue
Funny how people equate tonal and pitch anomalies as sounding more analogue. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Audio Al
If you're playing a record, no matter what on, it sounds analogue. 'Cos it is! :)